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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,628 Senior Member
    Oh My!
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  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,859 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #33
    jbp-ohio said:
    orchidman said:If they brought out a V8 in a Rubicon etc I would be first in line to order one.........

    All it takes is money............... https://www.rubitrux.com/rubitrux-jeep-wrangler-jk-hemi-upgrade.html



    A Jeep from the factory with a 5.7 Hemi would be the ticket.  Over 390 HP, 407 FtLbs and probably do 20+ MPG pretty easy...
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,859 Senior Member
    But considering what Jeeps cost, even decent used ones, I'm sure a factory V8 option if they ever made one would be $50k+....
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    My old Jeep Scrambler had a big electronic ignition module in it. It died. No replacement module was available from dealer or aftermarket and I couldn't find a working one in any Jeep in the junkyards. So I replaced the distributor and went with the old coil, points, and condenser. All that electronic crapola is just fine, until it dies and you can't find a replacement part because they're no longer made.
    That got me wonder if Pertronix makes the ignitor for it. They make some good stuff. Pop in the ignitor in the old Aircooled VW, no more points. Though I had a squareback I converted to dual points, didn't need to change the points for years after that. 
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,165 Senior Member
    Factory V8's are going the way of the Dodo. The main reason is unrealistic CAFE standards. Even though a turbo V6 or I4 doesn't get better real world mileage than a modern V8, they do in the tests needed to put the number on the sticker.

    While my truck was in the shop my rental was an Expedition. It had a V6. I looked it up, V6 is all you can get....... in a flippin Expedition!
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    An in-line six can put out good torque at low rpm and have plenty of power if its made right.

    Fords 300cid six was pretty good. And Chryslers 225cid slant had solid components that could withstand alot more than the engine was set up for.

    Modern engineering could make one better than ever and maybe better than a V8.
    BMW has one that puts out good horse power, but a jeep needs low rpm torque.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,664 Senior Member
    I wish GMC would bring back their Big Block V6 - as awesome as it was back in the day, modern engineering, materials and machining could make it even better.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,664 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    My old Jeep Scrambler had a big electronic ignition module in it. It died. No replacement module was available from dealer or aftermarket and I couldn't find a working one in any Jeep in the junkyards. So I replaced the distributor and went with the old coil, points, and condenser. All that electronic crapola is just fine, until it dies and you can't find a replacement part because they're no longer made.
    That's exactly right - and the problem with "technology". You can buy a wonderful, does everything computerized sewing machine for $5,000 today, and 20 years from now it will be completely obsolete and worthless. Contrast to any mechanical machine made in the last 150 years that will be sewing fine in another 150 years if somebody bothers to spray some oil in its general direction every year or two.
    I don't mind paying for quality, but I only want to pay ONCE. Longevity=Quality - something we've forgotten.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #40
    Mercedes and Jaguar both have NEW inline six motors with electric assisted turbos. BMW's inline six engine has been refining for years. A 3L that makes  about 300hp and gets decent mileage. 

    Plus in most rods, nearly everyone uses a V-8. Seems a bit boring to me. An inline six can still boogie AND sound good. 


    420hp  naturally aspirated inline 6 BMW. 
    https://youtu.be/WKsAebebzWI
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,664 Senior Member
    I tend to like V6es. Big V6es. Fewer but larger cylinders. But I've never been about speed, torque motors hauling heavy loads is what jets my carb!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,039 Senior Member
    I had a 72 Wagoneer. It was comfortable, for sure, but it was a certifiable beast in deep mud.I read that Jeep is going to reintroduce the Grand Wagoneer in 2021, and the price is expected to be...........

    $140,000.00

    I sure wish I had my old '72 with 5 ton PTO winch.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,714 Senior Member
    Then they call these Jeeps


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  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 2,247 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    Factory V8's are going the way of the Dodo. The main reason is unrealistic CAFE standards. Even though a turbo V6 or I4 doesn't get better real world mileage than a modern V8, they do in the tests needed to put the number on the sticker.

    While my truck was in the shop my rental was an Expedition. It had a V6. I looked it up, V6 is all you can get....... in a flippin Expedition!
    Yeah but that V6 makes over 400 ft lb of torque at fairly low RPM. I have it in my truck and will take it all day over the V8 option. 
  • dlddld Member Posts: 412 Member
    edited February 2019 #45
    zorba said:
    dld said:
    its a 3 speed transmission
    Yes. The question is, does it have an over drive? 3 shift levers or 4?
    3 shift levers

     L4-134 Go-Devil engine




  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #46
    Now you big power guys take a good look at that 4cyl engine. See the heavy duty castings, manifolds and assembly. There's more to mechanisms than power.
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,859 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    Factory V8's are going the way of the Dodo. The main reason is unrealistic CAFE standards. Even though a turbo V6 or I4 doesn't get better real world mileage than a modern V8, they do in the tests needed to put the number on the sticker.

    While my truck was in the shop my rental was an Expedition. It had a V6. I looked it up, V6 is all you can get....... in a flippin Expedition!
    I honestly don't see that happening quite yet, though I'm sure it's going that direction.  I"m just not sure it will be as soon as it seems.  Considering we live in an age of 700-800 horsepower V8 cars and SUVs and large V8 powered trucks getting possible 17-18 MPG, I think V8 powered vehicles will be sticking around for a little while longer.  The cost of them will continue to go up so that it's no longer reasonable for anybody who is not pretty wealthy to own them.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,165 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #48
    My (limited) understanding of the CAFE standards is that the average mileage of every vehicle sold by say Ford, must be 35mpg and cars must gain 5% a year and trucks 3.5%....... 

    You can get reductions by selling electric vehicles which is the reason they are made, not because of demand.

    V8's will only survive in low volume models. V6 turbo's look good on paper. The way I drive the turbo gets a workout and the mileage is the same as a V8
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,859 Senior Member
    In the long run I can see that.  But they are much too popular still.  Mustangs, Corvettes, Camaros, Challengers, Chargers, trucks, etc.  Chevy and Dodge just totally redesigned their truck lines. V8 vehicles are everywhere and popular and there's new stuff coming out every year. At some point, the ability to improve fuel mileage will start to drop off.  Probably already getting to that point.  Weight reduction, better aerodynamics, more gears and variable valve timing are the methods that have been keeping fuel mileage improvements going. But I do know that government regulations will eventually kill the American auto industry as we know it.  All of the efforts to meet regulations drives the cost of the product up to the point that they won't sell.  And trucks are a perfect example of that.  It's not unheard of for trucks to run well over $70k and not hard to reach $80-90. 
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,165 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #50
    Yes the manufacturers don't have any choice. Neither does the consumer. They have to make that 5% every year. You can only give away so many electric cars or make your trucks out of more aluminum.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,397 Senior Member
    There's only so many BTUs in a gallon of gas/diesel. You eventually reach the point that you either have to make the cars out of plastic and cardboard to meet the fuel efficiency standards, or go broke. And safety suffers either way. The rubes in the gooberment don't understand either point, because they are certifiable idiots.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,741 Senior Member
    The original Jeep had 54 HP from four cylinders, and did the job very well.  Got about 20 mpg. Mine had the 6 cylinder that was bullet proof.  I only used 4wd twice.  It was a good Jeep, but noisy and not a long-trip vehicle.  Wish I still had it.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,664 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #53
    Now you big power guys take a good look at that 4cyl engine. See the heavy duty castings, manifolds and assembly. There's more to mechanisms than power.
    That's right - one of the most beautiful setups ever made. I drove a 62 HP naturally aspirated Diesel car for many years - and saw nothing wrong with it. Americans are addicted to powerful engines, nobody else on the planet seems to "need" 300+ HP in an automobile.
    ETA: Said car weighed about 3,400 lbs, no lightweight. Got me where I needed to go!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    Horsepower is fine, but if your lugging up a jeep trail or pulling a trailer you need torque not HP

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    Its a marvel of quality that the old Go Devil could be refurbished and still give efficient service after so many years.

    Power is great. But I dont let it shadow quality.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    And the Buick Grand National, with a Turbo V-6 stomped many a Corvette. 
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,165 Senior Member
    Tugar said:
    And the Buick Grand National, with a Turbo V-6 stomped many a Corvette. 
    Wasn't hard to beat a mid 80's Corvette. Any naturally aspirated V6 today has at least +50hp...

    Just can't beat the sound of a V8. Of course some guys have different preferences.... like wearing pants.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    Maybe, but the land speed record for a pickup is as far as I know still held by a Dakota, running an inline six diesel Cummins. A two way speed of 217mph, and it was driven there, not a trailer queen. 
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    Winston Churchill
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,664 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    Tugar said:
    And the Buick Grand National, with a Turbo V-6 stomped many a Corvette. 
    Wasn't hard to beat a mid 80's Corvette. Any naturally aspirated V6 today has at least +50hp...

    Just can't beat the sound of a V8. Of course some guys have different preferences.... like wearing pants.
    And others of us like to be stylish and (more importantly) comfortable! :D
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    Im just glad we're not arguing about tires. Too much size matters there.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,664 Senior Member
    6.00 X 16...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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