My .02 on what just happened to the USA in Hanoi..

Vic's Viewpoint

It's my personal belief that President Trump was unable to achieve his diplomatic goals with North Korea because the North Koreans were closely watching the Michael Cohen congressional testimony publicly unfolding in Washington, and perceived that the President's political power was dissolving almost on an hourly basis.  Plainly the North Koreans don't want to de-nuclearize in the first place, but were willing to at least listen to US negotiators in the hopes of getting sanctions lifted and maybe getting some economic aid in the process;  however, with the President now being publicly eviscerated by Cohen and his gleeful Democrat congressional cohorts, it's my belief that the North Koreans quite soberly realized that congress would be unwilling to ratify any treaty signed between themselves and President Trump and simply refused to play ball and tip their hand, politically.   One has to wonder why the President's people didn't see all this coming, and prevail upon the President to postpone his meeting with Kim Jung Un until after the dust settles on the Cohen hearings.  Your thoughts?

JerryBobCo

I don't know the outcome of Trump's negotiations, but your points seem reasonable.   I think that Lanny Davis and the democratic controlled house purposely held the widely publicized Cohen hearing with the intent to discredit President Trump and make it very difficult for him to negotiate with North Korea.

I did see some of the hearing, and some of the questions posed to Cohen were nothing more than character assassination of our president.  About the only positive that I saw from the hearing was that Cohen did not claim any knowledge of Russian collusion.

Regardless, it was shameful what the dems did, and, in my opinion, borders on treason.

tennmike

Vic, I think you are right about that.

Every time Trump goes anywhere overseas to negotiate on something good for America, the Democratic Socialist party drums up come excrement show like the Cohen hearing to undermine him. My hate for the Democratic Socialists is now in the open. I hope they all die in a fire because they HATE the U.S. They are unfit to even be considered human beings.

earlyagain

I think the expectation of a denuclearized peninsula was more rhetoric than subtance from the very beginning. Agreeing to stop testing and the continuation of congenial dialogue is a significant achievement and legacy in and of itself. And likely meets the same bar as it would have without the congressional circus.

Having said that. I can't recall a more diametrically conflicted POTUS in history. All of his closest associates are indicted or convicted like a 1980's moffia scandal. The country has had its small 'd' democratic process manipulated by a hostile foreign power. Our global stature is degenerated to that of financial and military standing exclusive of the attempted justice of the rule of law equally applied at home and abroad. No congressional Republicans attempted to defend the Presidents actual conduct yesterday.

North Korea is among a growing list of fine achievements. Achievements almost sure to be historically obscured by the contentious scandal of a ruthless autocratic kingpin of illicit personal empire.

bisley

When a US President negotiates with a dictator, it matters a lot that the dictator thinks that his opponent is at least as powerful as he is. Ask Gorbechev. The House could have done their 'show trial' a month ago, or a month from now. The Democrat Party has a complete lack of interest in any foreign policy affair that won't help elect a Democrat president, and they are obsessed with their desire to see Trump fail, at any cost to the people threatened by a nuclear NK. Plus, they are still acting 'pissy' about the Iran treaty.

Still, a friendly 'walk-out' is standard operating procedure in negotiations between diametrically opposed nuclear powers. Ronald Reagan walked out on his second meeting with Gorbachev, and made a deal with him on the fifth summit.

Make_My_Day

tennmike said:

Vic, I think you are right about that.

Every time Trump goes anywhere overseas to negotiate on something good for America, the Democratic Socialist party drums up come excrement show like the Cohen hearing to undermine him. My hate for the Democratic Socialists is now in the open. I hope they all die in a fire because they HATE the U.S. They are unfit to even be considered human beings.

Democruds have been a pack of traitors for a long time. I recognized this in the late 60's and early 70's. The stuff I spout about them on this forum is the tip of the iceberg for the absolute disgust and hatred I have ever had for any group of people in my lifetime. What I post on FB is a good example of the way I really feel about most of them.

Linefinder

All in all, it appears to me that Trump did something "Presidential" for a change.

Mike

tennmike

Trump is just doing 'The Art of the Deal' thing, and like Reagan, he walked out on a bad deal. Lil Kim probably thought/was advised that the three ring circus in D.C. carried more weight than it did and Trump would make concessions. He thunk wrong.

JerryBobCo

Ironically, this may have backfired on the dems.  First, Cohen testified that he was not aware of any Russian collusion occurring, that Trump did NOT tell him to lie to congress and that he had never been to Prague, which is the supposed start of the whole Russian collusion issue.  That probably won't matter, but Cohen did not provide the smoking gun they wanted.

Also, I heard both Nancy Pelosi and former Obama U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice state publicly that Trump did the right thing by walking away from a deal with NK.  I almost fainted when I heard that.

And, lastly, I read an article on the Fox News web site (yeah, I know) that by walking away from making a deal with NK, China might be more willing to negotiate favorable terms with the US in trade talks.  Trump showed that he would not make a bad deal, and was not afraid to walk away from one.

jbp-ohio

bisley

JerryBobCo said:

Ironically, this may have backfired on the dems.

Good post, Jerry.

I would go even further, to say that this hearing has increased the level of political "noise" to a point where the people who still do actually try to keep up with what is happening in politics are throwing up their hands in disgust, with both sides.

I know it has had that effect on me.

earlyagain

The Demoncrats (local parlance) wouldn't have anything to carry on about if it wasn't continuously handed to them by the bucket full from the oval office. All of the attempts to refocus attention to contrasting ideals, and congressional obstructionism can't wash the dirt off. Even what should be reported as an epic accomplishment gets dissed in the press.

There's an old saying that was supposed to be a sarcastic joke, yet its being applied to this President by his supporters with actual serious intent. You're alright, the worlds wrong!

sgtrock21

JerryBobCo said:

I don't know the outcome of Trump's negotiations, but your points seem reasonable.   I think that Lanny Davis and the democratic controlled house purposely held the widely publicized Cohen hearing with the intent to discredit President Trump and make it very difficult for him to negotiate with North Korea.

I did see some of the hearing, and some of the questions posed to Cohen were nothing more than character assassination of our president.  About the only positive that I saw from the hearing was that Cohen did not claim any knowledge of Russian collusion.

Regardless, it was shameful what the dems did, and, in my opinion, borders on treason.

The rabid extremist Democrats have no shame. Fortunately I have a few old school Democrat friends and relatives that I can reasonably discuss politics with.