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Finland's government collapses over socialist health care reform

tennmiketennmike Senior MemberPosts: 27,395 Senior Member
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Hmmmmm- - - - -it seems they've run out of "other people's money"!
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    Thank goodness our wall street and corporate heros have monopolized control of our government so we don't have to worry about suffering the same fate.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,622 Senior Member
    At least the politicians had the decency to resign.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    You realize what "government collapse" means in terms of a parliamentary system right? It basically means that the multiple political parties that came together to form a majority no longer agree enough to hold onto the majority and get to control the cabinet and prime minister slot. It's equivalent to if Trump had said he would resign if  republicans failed to repeal Obamacare and then actually followed through and did it.

    What it really means is that their healthcare system is extremely popular and attempting to institute massive cuts to it as the current conservative government attempted was not politically feasible.Nice job with the headline though!
    Not MY headline, sugardoodles. Makes me think you didn't actually read the links. RIF-Reading Is Fundamental. :)

    Finland’s government resigns after healthcare reform fails

    Finland’s Government Resigns After Failure of Flagship Health and Social Care Reforms

    Finland’s government collapses over failed health care reform

    And like a good little apartachick you didn't address the collapsing health care and social services that can't be paid for by the people being taxed into poverty by the government to pay for said services and health care. Not totally unlike Venezuela with 1,000,000% inflation and  totally collapsed health care and social services. No matter how much you WANT socialism to work, you eventually run out of other people's money to pay for it. I guess 'if nobody is rich then everybody is rich' is the socialist Utopia! :D

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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    edited March 2019 #6
    So, in other words, the socialists get credit for passing a popular health care program, and the center-right government has failed to find a way to pay for it?

    It turns out that Finland, unlike many of the wonderful socialist Utopias, has a constitution, and the center-right party apparently got elected by saying that they were best equipped to trim enough spending to actually pay for the wonderful plan. They failed to do that, either because of an unwillingness to drastically increase taxes, or they were just unable to find any constitutional means for paying for it. Or, maybe, like the US, they just couldn't get enough votes in parliament to actually put constitutional laws in place, that would actually make the plan solvent.

    You are the resident Finland expert - is that what happened?
  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 4,265 Senior Member
    Spending more than you take in ...... why would that ever go wrong ?
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,689 Senior Member
    Mike the word collapse modifies the political coalition that was running the government, not the government's finances. 

    The conservative government failed to deliver on promised cost reductions, not the the country's finances has collapsed. Governing coalitions collapsing is a design feature of the parlamentary system, not a bug.

    Indeed it is. 2 important paragraphs in one of the articles to  read carefully:

    “The collapse of the government is in a way surprising, but also understandable,” said Pasi Kuoppamaki, chief economist at Danske Bank A/S in Helsinki. “Now the coalition partners can focus on campaigning for the elections without needing to cooperate closely. There will be no major impact on the economy.”

    Therefore, they'll have to go through an election to form a new government (Seems as no political party has a clear majority, so they'll have to negotiate) and start over again since:

    “The collapse of the reform is a massive disappointment,” Sipila said at a press conference in Helsinki on Friday. We have been under a lot of pressure from the European Union to get this done, but there wasn’t enough time.”

    (Pressure from the EU? that might explain a lot!)

    And to clear the picture more, here's the 2nd. one:

    “Prime Minister Sipila tendered the government’s resignation today citing the collapse of the health and social care reform, even though the real reason was the decline in the popularity of Sipila and his Center Party,” Finns Party member of parliament Ville Tavio said in an emailed statement.

    With politicians, there's ALWAYS a hidden agenda or reason.

    Venezuela's situation is COMPLETELY different, although partly origins from the same "socialist" (As in heavily State-controlled activities) roots.
    In their case it's actually a country captured by the military brass with the help of Cuban operators to pilfer it of its mainly oil-based income sources applying indiscriminate state-control policies. Since the policy is to control the main economic activities, you can't leave even not-related parallel ones run free and slowly but steadily they capture them under the usual excuses (Imperialism, greed of the upper and upper middle classes, conspirators, enemy border states, national security, etc.) therefore you start deputizing Generals and Colonels to run the oil production, and you end up seizing paper factories (Chocking the written press in the process), big agricultural conglomerates (To "feed the people") and even housing, putting them under state management, thus securing loyalty from their supporting bases.

    Thanks to such "all fronts" socialist policies during the late '80s we reached an accumulated inflation of 2'178,482% in 5 years, although during a democratic government unlike the Venezuelans; I lived through it and although thankfully we cruised through it without much damage, believe it wasn't fun at all, with constant blackouts, water shortages (Public infrastructure deteriorates and collapses exponentially), horrendous roads, terrible communications, almost no consumer goods imported and on top of that a murderous communist terrorist gang that made ISIS look like a bunch of Minions.

    Problem is that when they start applying such measures, unless opposition politicians and the people keep them checked and are ready to react, it's VERY hard to stop them since after all, they're doing it "for our own good only guided by the best intentions"....aren't they?  ;)
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