Proposed NFA ammendment.

Elk creekElk creek Senior MemberPosts: 5,726 Senior Member
Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.

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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,768 Senior Member
    That bill, and others like it, is the reason the 2nd Amendment exists.
    Sure makes those belt fed AR uppers look more and more appealing! :D

    Here's the text of the bill:


    116th CONGRESS
    1st Session


    H. R. 1263

    To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act any semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine.


    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    February 14, 2019

    Mr. Deutch introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Ways and Means


    A BILL

    To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act any semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. Short title.

    This Act may be cited as the “National Firearms Amendments Act of 2019”.

    SEC. 2. Semiautomatic rifle with capacity to accept detachable magazine treated as firearm under National Firearms Act.

    (a) In general.—Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended—

    (1) by striking “; and (8) a destructive device.” and inserting “; (8) a destructive device; and (9) a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun that has the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device.”, and

    (2) by adding at the end the following: “The term ‘detachable ammunition feeding device’ means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed from a firearm without disassembly of the firearm action. The term ‘ammunition feeding device’ means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, but does not include an attached tubular device which is only capable of operating with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition. The term ‘semiautomatic rifle or shotgun’ means any repeating rifle or shotgun which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.”

    (b) Applicability.—Any person who, on the date of the enactment of this Act, lawfully owns or possesses a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun (as defined in section 5845(a) of such Code, as amended by this Act) that has the capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device (as defined in such section) shall, not later than 120 days after the date of enactment of this Act, register the semiautomatic rifle or shotgun in accordance with section 5841 of such Code. Such registration shall become a part of the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record required to be maintained by such section. The prohibition on possession of an unregistered firearm under section 5861 of such Code shall not apply to possession of such a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun that has the capacity to accept such a detachable ammunition feeding device on any date that is 120 days or less after the enactment of this Act.

    (c) Authorization of appropriations.—There are authorized to be appropriated to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives such sums as are necessary to carry out this Act.




    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,560 Senior Member
    tennmike said:

    (b) Applicability.—Any person who, on the date of the enactment of this Act, lawfully owns or possesses a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun....

    So, if I unlawfully own or possess a semiauto with a detachable magazine, this proposed "law" doesn't apply? 

    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    How long before sites like this get abandoned and go dark???

    We cancel all our periodical subscriptions and retreat to a secretive life in the underground out of sight???
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,768 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    tennmike said:

    (b) Applicability.—Any person who, on the date of the enactment of this Act, lawfully owns or possesses a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun....

    So, if I unlawfully own or possess a semiauto with a detachable magazine, this proposed "law" doesn't apply? 

    I think that if you unlawfully own or possess one, that would mean that you are a felon, illegal alien, or some other 'prohibited person'.
    Nice that the 'domestic enemies', a.k.a. the Democratic Socialist Party, are now out in the open about disarming 'we the people' so they can run roughshod over the population with the military and police. They're openly wiping their crusty butts with the Constitution they swore an oath to, and that should make people take notice.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,560 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    CaliFFL said:
    tennmike said:

    (b) Applicability.—Any person who, on the date of the enactment of this Act, lawfully owns or possesses a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun....

    So, if I unlawfully own or possess a semiauto with a detachable magazine, this proposed "law" doesn't apply? 

    I think that if you unlawfully own or possess one, that would mean that you are a felon, illegal alien, or some other 'prohibited person'.

    So which penalty carries the higher sentence? NFA violation or prohibited person violation? 

    Been awhile, but this needs to be dusted off. 




    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,569 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    tennmike said:

    (b) Applicability.—Any person who, on the date of the enactment of this Act, lawfully owns or possesses a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun....

    So, if I unlawfully own or possess a semiauto with a detachable magazine, this proposed "law" doesn't apply? 


    Are you remembering the California ban of semi automatic "assault rifles" in 1989? The banned rifles were required to be turned in our removed from the state. Those possessing these rifles who were banned by federal law from possessing a firearm were not required to turn them in as that would violate their 5th amendment (self incrimination) rights! My buddy's brother who was a Southern California Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) drove his AR-15 and Finnish Valmet to Oregon for his brother to care for. We enjoyed "exercising" them at the local range.  
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,662 Senior Member
    It sure is sad about all the boating accidents that are sure to occur if this passes
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 851 Senior Member
    Would a "feed strip or similar device" include things like an en-bloc?  That would be a shame.

    The whole proposed amendment to include even more items under NFA authority is yet another example of legislation that will not do anything to actually stop crime.  I suspect that even if it does go through, it wont survive challenges in the courts.  Or at least I hope it wouldnt.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    Its a very good example of infringement. The SPOTUS affirmation of the second amendment took place within the structure of existing infringement. It bodes of a constitutional right getting infringed to abolishment.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,768 Senior Member
    Have a plan in place if that mess passes and Trump signs it. IF it becomes law, then plan your work, and work your plan. If that needs explanation then IM me with your address and I'll lay out several plans. I WILL NOT use electronic media for that. Snail mail is still mostly safe..........mostly, from government prying. :)
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,560 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 said:
    CaliFFL said:
    tennmike said:

    (b) Applicability.—Any person who, on the date of the enactment of this Act, lawfully owns or possesses a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun....

    So, if I unlawfully own or possess a semiauto with a detachable magazine, this proposed "law" doesn't apply? 


    Are you remembering the California ban of semi automatic "assault rifles" in 1989? The banned rifles were required to be turned in our removed from the state. Those possessing these rifles who were banned by federal law from possessing a firearm were not required to turn them in as that would violate their 5th amendment (self incrimination) rights! My buddy's brother who was a Southern California Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) drove his AR-15 and Finnish Valmet to Oregon for his brother to care for. We enjoyed "exercising" them at the local range.  
    Yes I do. I was being a bit snarky, but I'm fed up with this crap. When only 270 aholes decide what the entire nation can or can't do, regardless of the BOR guarantees, I'm opting out. 
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,726 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    sgtrock21 said:
    CaliFFL said:
    tennmike said:

    (b) Applicability.—Any person who, on the date of the enactment of this Act, lawfully owns or possesses a semiautomatic rifle or shotgun....

    So, if I unlawfully own or possess a semiauto with a detachable magazine, this proposed "law" doesn't apply? 


    Are you remembering the California ban of semi automatic "assault rifles" in 1989? The banned rifles were required to be turned in our removed from the state. Those possessing these rifles who were banned by federal law from possessing a firearm were not required to turn them in as that would violate their 5th amendment (self incrimination) rights! My buddy's brother who was a Southern California Law Enforcement Officer (LEO) drove his AR-15 and Finnish Valmet to Oregon for his brother to care for. We enjoyed "exercising" them at the local range.  
    Yes I do. I was being a bit snarky, but I'm fed up with this crap. When only 270 aholes decide what the entire nation can or can't do, regardless of the BOR guarantees, I'm opting out. 
    I’m getting fed up with the crap they are shoving down our throats! WTH do they think they can dictate our lot against what the BOR has given us. 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,860 Senior Member
    Did this go anywhere yet.
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,726 Senior Member
    Did this go anywhere yet.
    You can follow the link to track progress. 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,860 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    Did this go anywhere yet.
    You can follow the link to track progress. 
    Didn't realize it tracked it. Thanks.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    I wonder if the Hilary excuse will be allowed for 'common citizens?'

    James Comey, illegally acting as Attorney General, cited "lack of criminal intent" as the reason for not indicting Hilary Clinton, for proven violations of the Espionage Act. He did this by citing "lack of criminal intent" as a requirement for prosecution, when it was specifically not included in the verbiage of the espionage laws.

    If this was acceptable to exonerate a former First Lady and Secretary of State, the federal government will surely accept any claim made by any citizen who was 'obviously' ignorant of the law. Right?...Right??...Right???.....right?????

  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,726 Senior Member
    bisley said:
    I wonder if the Hilary excuse will be allowed for 'common citizens?'

    James Comey, illegally acting as Attorney General, cited "lack of criminal intent" as the reason for not indicting Hilary Clinton, for proven violations of the Espionage Act. He did this by citing "lack of criminal intent" as a requirement for prosecution, when it was specifically not included in the verbiage of the espionage laws.

    If this was acceptable to exonerate a former First Lady and Secretary of State, the federal government will surely accept any claim made by any citizen who was 'obviously' ignorant of the law. Right?...Right??...Right???.....right?????

    I have a feeling you could commit any number of felonies and not be is as much legal trouble as owning an unregistered Remington 742 in 06......
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Billy_BuddBilly_Budd Posts: 572 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    It sure is sad about all the boating accidents that are sure to occur if this passes
    Lol! Indeed!
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,543 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    I have a feeling you could commit any number of felonies and not be is as much legal trouble as owning an unregistered Remington 742 in 06......

    That already happens in some states. A friend of mine's son just finished a two year sentence in New Jersey for having an unregistered handgun in his closet. He bought it 
    legally in Florida and moved to NJ without having registered it there. An angry liberal girlfriend dropped a dime on him and he became a felon.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • Billy_BuddBilly_Budd Posts: 572 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Have a plan in place if that mess passes and Trump signs it. IF it becomes law, then plan your work, and work your plan. If that needs explanation then IM me with your address and I'll lay out several plans. I WILL NOT use electronic media for that. Snail mail is still mostly safe..........mostly, from government prying. :)
    Funny you mention that. There's a group of us that meet once a month and discuss various topics and the current political climate including boating safety. No phones allowed - they're all left in our vehicles and we use routinely use snail mail.   
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,768 Senior Member
    edited March 16 #22
    If that idiotic bill passes I can see sales of large diameter PVC pipe, cosmoline or buckets of bearing grease, plastic sheeting, and Quickcrete skyrocket. Maybe even new septic tank sales will go up, too, for enterprising folk out in the country with a backhoe.

    Reminds me of a guy I knew back in the late 1970s and early 1980s. He was getting a lot of visits from the cops about selling marijuana, but they could never find anything in his house, barns, dairy barn, or anywhere on the farm. I knew him only for the fact that I was in the business of spreading cow pie, liquid or solid, on fields for farmers, and had both liquid and normal manure spreaders. He was a repeat customer.
    I hate telling stories like this because it requires explaining things that farmers know that non farmers don't. A liquid manure pit like on most dairy farms has a concrete block wall pit with a concrete bottom. Liquid cow pie is sluiced from the dairy barn to the pit. It gets a hard crust on top over time. This requires a 'sparger pipe' that can be moved around to break up the crust and liquefy the cow poop so it can be picked up by the suction of the vacuum pump on the manure spreader. The sparger pipe is nothing but a pipe with lots of small holes in it  along its length to direct water flow to liquefy the contents of the pit with high pressure water. This pit had TWO spargers in it, but only one worked. The sparger pipes were 4" PVC pipe with the pipe drilled and tapped for ag spray nozzles.
    The reason ONE of the sparger pipes didn't work is because it was as fake as silicone implants. The spray nozzles were filled with gasket sealer, and so was the hose connection. Both sparger pipes looked exactly alike on their wheeled stands when out of the pit. They both had concrete weights on the wheel axles to sink them. You definitely wanted them below the surface before turning on the high pressure water! THAT FAKE sparger pipe was where he kept his 'stash' of marijuana. The cops never checked them as he always left them in the pit.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


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