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All Military styled semi autos are to be banned..........NZ govt response to the recent tragedy....

orchidmanorchidman Senior MemberPosts: 8,109 Senior Member
Overnight, anyone who owns a semi automatic Military style firearm (7 shot capacity or less which you could legally own on an 'A' cat  general firearms lic) is now the holder of an illegal firearm.
Those of us who had an E cat licence to own MSSA's ( over 7 shot capacity) will be next when our parliament passes legislation in early april.

A stroke of the pen..................


Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,654 Senior Member
    Disgusting. And where did this "... with the stroke of a pen ... " nonsense originate? Obama was fond of the expression as I recall...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • waipapa13waipapa13 Senior Member Posts: 838 Senior Member
    edited March 2019 #3
    If Joe Green's source is correct then police failed miserably at executing even the bare rudiments of the licensing process.
    To be blunt, if this is the case, there is an arms officer in the Waikato with blood on their hands. 

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/gun-licensing-procedures-not-followed-christchurch-mosques-attack-accused-ex-arms-control-officer?variant=tb_v_2


  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 4,265 Senior Member
    One crazy & they outlaw guns . So if you have one of these newly outlawed guns what are you to do with them ? Are they offering a buy back ? What if you sold it ? What if it was lost ? What you are facing orcid may be here soon with the people we have in offices too . The more they push on people the closer they come to a revolt . Seems it is going that way all over the world . They never seem to think of our safety . Police only come after a crime . Self defense is getting pushed away .
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Knee jerk reaction. Why, because they can. Screw over law abiding gun owners because of the actions of a maniac sicko.

    Makes them feel like they are doing something.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    A knee jerk reaction to a tragedy. "Drunk drivers kill people, so let's ban sober drivers from drinking" makes as much sense.
    Hate to see gun owners who have no intention of hurting anyone punished for the act of one crazy person that slipped through the cracks. If it's true that the shooter wasn't properly vetted, then  the police in charge of that have some serious explaining to do.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,622 Senior Member
    Any recourse in the courts?
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,109 Senior Member
    edited March 2019 #8
    waipapa13 said:
    If Joe Green's source is correct then police failed miserably at executing even the bare rudiments of the licensing process.
    To be blunt, if this is the case, there is an arms officer in the Waikato with blood on their hands. 

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/gun-licensing-procedures-not-followed-christchurch-mosques-attack-accused-ex-arms-control-officer?variant=tb_v_2


    I agree. Makes a mockery of the system if that is what happened.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,109 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Any recourse in the courts?
    Not at this stage. Due to the media bias and misreporting,  using words like machine gun and assault rifle, the govt is acting on a mandate 'of the people' to rid the country of those evil black guns.
    Just like everywhere else in the world, the politicians and public blame the tool used and not the person or what led them to do horrible acts like these. 
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    This is what happens when you lack constitutional protections. 
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member

    It took New Zealand just six days to ban semi-automatic weapons. America, are you listening?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/took-zealand-just-six-days-122500746.html






    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,904 Senior Member
    After all the law abiding people turn in their now illegal firearms, what will happen when a non law abiding person does this or something similar again?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    After all the law abiding people turn in their now illegal firearms, what will happen when a non law abiding person does this or something similar again?
    Guns will be double illegal. Or they will impose longer sentences. Or they'll blame it on America. Of course, none of this will prevent anything. 
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,916 Senior Member
    I am not conversant in NZs form of government...but how does this happen in 6 days?
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,904 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    Diver43 said:
    After all the law abiding people turn in their now illegal firearms, what will happen when a non law abiding person does this or something similar again?
    Guns will be double illegal. Or they will impose longer sentences. Or they'll blame it on America. Of course, none of this will prevent anything. 
    OK, I get it. Basically it is Trumps fault
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,251 Senior Member
    edited March 2019 #16
    "Help us, Government! Help us!"

    Anybody in NZ have the common sense to say "How about we protect our own G.D. selves?"
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    I am not conversant in NZs form of government...but how does this happen in 6 days?
    Here ya go, Jayhawker. Parliamentary government with a twist.


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    ― Douglas Adams
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,029 Senior Member
    I have a question, and probably only our resident Kiwis can address it...

    I've read THREE online articles today declaring this legislation has "broad national support".

    Is this really true?

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,622 Senior Member
    I have a question, and probably only our resident Kiwis can address it...

    I've read THREE online articles today declaring this legislation has "broad national support".

    Is this really true?

    Mike
    At least 6 days worth.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    edited March 2019 #20

    Alec, when the government comes to take their guns, how many of your countrymen will choose to give them the ammunition first- - - - -one round at a time?

    MOLON LABE!

  • waipapa13waipapa13 Senior Member Posts: 838 Senior Member
    I have a question, and probably only our resident Kiwis can address it...

    I've read THREE online articles today declaring this legislation has "broad national support".

    Is this really true?

    Mike
    Hard to say, no one in my immediate circle of friends and family is rabidly for it (12 or so people) some are very against it, majority are probably apathetic and have little understanding of it, being shilled BS by the media and a prime minister who doesn't get votes from rural and/or right leaning gun owners anyway, in fact she did not win the majority vote but instead cobbled up a government composed of some fairly radical leftists.

    I did google immigrating to the US, it won't happen with my wife not wanting to leave family and my lack of a degree preventing it. 
    If I had to say anything I have been particularly disturbed by several people in power pointing out that free speech is not a right here, and that because we were told to by a government we should all comply immediately without debate or question. A large majority are just being quiet for now, we're all fairly shocked still and awaiting further developments.

    Let this be a lesson though, I know the NRA does some stuff that is annoying and disagreeable but they are your largest and most effective line of defence for keeping your guns and rights, back them.
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,109 Senior Member
    I have a question, and probably only our resident Kiwis can address it...

    I've read THREE online articles today declaring this legislation has "broad national support".

    Is this really true?

    Mike
    In my circle of friends it certainly isnt.
    However post no 21 above sums it up. With a rabid leftist Govt and the left media, most people have bought into the argument on the basis that it will stop future events.

    Smart people with common sense know different. But unfortunately there are not enough smart people and common sense is not very common nowdays............
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 said:
    That old fossil Bernie Sanders is all over it, too.
    (Be warned. Stupid auto play video with article)

    But wait! There's more!
    (also has auto play videos)


    The  communists, socialists, and 'useful idiots' are inside the gates and in Congress.


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  • 1965Jeff1965Jeff Senior Member Posts: 1,644 Senior Member
    Same deal for folks with a bumpfire here next Tuesday- if not surrendered , automatically made into an outlaw with no buyback.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    I just read that the police site for filling out the turn in form has been shut down in less than 24 hours of operation due to trolls filling out the forms.

    Don't be drinking anything when you read the weapons descriptions! :D




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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,622 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    I just read that the police site for filling out the turn in form has been shut down in less than 24 hours of operation due to trolls filling out the forms.

    Don't be drinking anything when you read the weapons descriptions! :D




    Atta' boys! 
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    I looked up some more info after my last post on this. I don't know how this all started with people from the U.S. suddenly overwhelming the site; must have been a lot of talk and then something like a huge flash mob descended on the police website. Some of the info I found detailed how to change VPN and ISP info to get past the filters the police were using and make it look like the people overwhelming the police website were in NZ. However it was done and whoever(s) got the ball rolling proves one thing, though. Firearms enthusiasts, even half way around the globe, don't like to see their brothers and sisters abused by the government and can do some serious civil disobedience when the situation warrants it.

    Won't be posting where I found the additional info. I'll just say that Bing and Duck Duck Go are your friends if you decide to do some searching. Google is a wash on that; some serious censorship going on compared to Bing and the Duck.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    First guns, then speech. As predicted. 

    New Zealand bans terror suspect's racist manifesto; citizens told to 'destroy any copies'


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-bans-terror-suspects-racist-manifesto-citizens-told-to-destroy-any-copies/ar-BBV8ANA?ocid=spartandhp
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    First guns, then speech. As predicted. 

    New Zealand bans terror suspect's racist manifesto; citizens told to 'destroy any copies'


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-bans-terror-suspects-racist-manifesto-citizens-told-to-destroy-any-copies/ar-BBV8ANA?ocid=spartandhp
    Not as bad as in Great Britain, yet. You can be thrown in jail for a long time for some pretty innocuous speech. And that 'hate speech' thing will eventually happen here in the U.S., too. The Democrat Socialists have been working on that a little at a time and making inroads; they're using the slow 'boiling the frog' method here.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    CaliFFL said:
    First guns, then speech. As predicted. 

    New Zealand bans terror suspect's racist manifesto; citizens told to 'destroy any copies'


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-bans-terror-suspects-racist-manifesto-citizens-told-to-destroy-any-copies/ar-BBV8ANA?ocid=spartandhp
    Not as bad as in Great Britain, yet. You can be thrown in jail for a long time for some pretty innocuous speech. And that 'hate speech' thing will eventually happen here in the U.S., too. The Democrat Socialists have been working on that a little at a time and making inroads; they're using the slow 'boiling the frog' method here.
    Yeah, I just read recently a GB woman was arrested for "misgendering" someone's kid on social media. Oh, and a GB parliament member was pushing for a knife registry complete with RFID tracking. What. The. ****.  
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


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