Easter Bombing in Sri Lanka

Spk

'Several' Americans among the 207 killed in Sri Lanka bombing attacks on Easter Sunday

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/21/multiple-explosions-rock-sri-lank-capital-easter-sunday/3533020002/

My heart goes out to all those affected.

Vic's Viewpoint

This attack on Easter Sunday was deliberately timed to shock, repel, and intimidate Christians everywhere.  Just the knowledge of that fact alone makes me think VERY un-Christian thoughts about what I'd like to see happen to the muslim instigators thereof.  A plague upon their terrorist kind!

Diver43

Terrible deeds have consequences

Teach

Hmmmm- - - -and we're supposed to believe the Notre Dame fire was an "accident"?????????  Are they selling beachfront property in the Sahara desert, too?

Gila

Teach said:

Hmmmm- - - -and we're supposed to believe the Notre Dame fire was an "accident"?????????  Are they selling beachfront property in the Sahara desert, too?

No, in Arizona... 

zorba

I have a good deal on ocean front property in Arizona - and bargains on slightly used bridges.

JerryBobCo

First of all, my heart felt condolences to all of the victims and their families.  It was a terrible thing for someone to perpetrate.  So far, no group has taken responsibility, but I think it's plain what the motive was behind this.  I'll just leave it at that.

Secondly, as expected, it's already turned political.  Both Obama and Hillary expressed condolences for "Easter worshipers".  They are catching grief for the use of that term instead of "Christians".  I agree whole heartedly with them being called out for it.

The victims weren't worshiping Easter.  They were celebrating Easter.  They, same as me, worship Christ.

Why can't folks just call it what it is and forget the PC crap?

Gila

JerryBobCo said:

Why can't folks just call it what it is and forget the PC crap?

Because they're out to destroy Christianity.

Michakav

Gila said:

JerryBobCo said:

Why can't folks just call it what it is and forget the PC crap?

Because they're out to destroy Christianity.

Seems that way to me and I don't follow a religion.

Jayhawker

Michakav said:

Gila said:

JerryBobCo said:

Why can't folks just call it what it is and forget the PC crap?

Because they're out to destroy Christianity.

Seems that way to me and I don't follow a religion.

They have been for a a few centuries...
And don't kid yourself...Islam is not a religion... it's an ideology...

zorba

Looking at this "from the outside", I see it as 2 sides of the same coin: Monotheists that cannot get along with each other.

CaliFFL

zorba said:

Looking at this "from the outside", I see it as 2 sides of the same coin: Monotheists that cannot get along with each other.

I'll agree to a point, but for the most part, only one monotheist group is perpetuating violence. 

Jermanator

CaliFFL said:

I'll agree to a point, but for the most part, only one monotheist group is perpetuating violence. 

This was supposedly in retaliation for the "Christian" that murdered a bunch of Muslims in New Zealand.

It looks more like 2 sets of nut jobs on holy wars to me.

zorba

And so it continues...

And like some/many, I'm mighty suspicious about the Notre Dame fire. I don't hold with destruction of anybody's sacred space, nor destruction of beauty.

zorba

CaliFFL said:

zorba said:

Looking at this "from the outside", I see it as 2 sides of the same coin: Monotheists that cannot get along with each other.

I'll agree to a point, but for the most part, only one monotheist group is perpetuating violence. 

At this point in time, yes - qualified with "for the very most part".

Jermanator

zorba said:

And so it continues...

And like some/many, I'm mighty suspicious about the Notre Dame fire.

Crap! I never put 2 and 2 together about that until now. Ouch. That may be the cause.

zorba

It may be - "they" are keeping this incident pretty much under wraps it seems to me...

CaliFFL

This point in time is all I care about. Historical violence committed by Christians against Muslims is exactly that: History. 

The occasional Christian nut job committing violence against *anyone* isn't generally sanctioned by a church. Can't say that about Muslims and Mosques. 

Teach

The Crusades were begun in response to muslim aggression a few centuries ago.  The only problem was that swords, lances, bows and arrows, and armor weren't sophisticated enough weapons to do a good job of what they needed to do.  Maybe it's time for another try?

 

Jayhawker

CaliFFL said:

This point in time is all I care about. Historical violence committed by Christians against Muslims is exactly that: History. 

The occasional Christian nut job committing violence against *anyone* isn't generally sanctioned by a church. Can't say that about Muslims and Mosques. 

Some folks have a long memory....and aren't inclined to let bygones be bygones...

CaliFFL

Jayhawker said:

CaliFFL said:

This point in time is all I care about. Historical violence committed by Christians against Muslims is exactly that: History. 

The occasional Christian nut job committing violence against *anyone* isn't generally sanctioned by a church. Can't say that about Muslims and Mosques. 

Some folks have a long memory....and aren't inclined to let bygones be bygones...

Some folks have a warped sense of grievance. I can understand why an Afghani who lost family/friends in a drone strike would hate America...I cannot fathom why modern Muslims would hate Christians because of the Crusades. It simply does not compute. 

JerryBobCo

I saw on the Fox News ticker last night that ISIS is claiming responsibility for this.  Eliminating radical Muslim groups is like playing whack-a-mole. 

Jermanator

CaliFFL said:

I cannot fathom why modern Muslims would hate Christians because of the Crusades. It simply does not compute. 

We have people in this country that are pissed off about stuff that happened over 150 years ago... heck 250 years ago!

Edit-- actually... looking back, over 500 years ago! Still butt hurt.

CaliFFL

Jermanator said:

CaliFFL said:

I cannot fathom why modern Muslims would hate Christians because of the Crusades. It simply does not compute. 

We have people in this country that are pissed off about stuff that happened over 150 years ago... heck 250 years ago!

Edit-- actually... looking back, over 500 years ago! Still butt hurt.

I almost mentioned some of this ^ butt hurt. I cannot understand how someone could be upset with actions of distant ancestry. Learn from history, sure, but upset? 

In fact, I do not think they are truly upset, but they play a victim game to gain something from the ancestors of their perceived "oppressors".  I can't figure out where I fit into this, because my great grandparents were circa 1905 Ellis Island immigrants. 

zorba

"Learn from History" - absolutely.

When the narrative hasn't changed in 1,500 or 2,000 years, one learns a bit of caution.

breamfisher

CaliFFL said:

Some folks have a warped sense of grievance. I can understand why an Afghani who lost family/friends in a drone strike would hate America...I cannot fathom why modern Muslims would hate Christians because of the Crusades. It simply does not compute. 

I think that's because you're approaching it from a Western, non-tribal/non-clannish perspective. 

coolgunguy

breamfisher said:

CaliFFL said:

Some folks have a warped sense of grievance. I can understand why an Afghani who lost family/friends in a drone strike would hate America...I cannot fathom why modern Muslims would hate Christians because of the Crusades. It simply does not compute. 

I think that's because you're approaching it from a Western, non-tribal/non-clannish perspective. 

These folks are taught righteous anger from an early age.  Someone who wronged my ancestors is someone whose descendants will wrong mine.  If "X" is a thief, his descendant's descendants will also be thieves.  Memories are very long, and handed down from one generation to the next, like some sort of inheritance. 

Spk

It's interesting that righteous anger is brought up. Certainly, this anger is taught and not just learned by everyday experience.

We're up against an ideology. A warped religious ideology taken out of context and used to promote violence.

Here's an example of what I mean:

"And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in your hills, and in your valleys, and in all your rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.
I will make you perpetual desolations, and your cities shall not return: and you shall know that I am the LORD."

Ezekiel 35:8-9

If you've ever read Matthew, Isaiah, Deuteronomy or Numbers -- there's some pretty vivid stuff in there.

Taken out of context, you could imagine people like David Koresh, Charles Manson, Jim Jones and others in the past could easily justify hate and violence.

Many scholars believe the Crusades were fought to usher in the Second Coming and was therefore justified.

Similar passages are found in the Quran. Taken out of context by unscrupulous "holymen" with an agenda, the same passages become a religious endorsement for the violence and mayhem we see today. More importantly, followers feel justified in their actions in the same way Crusaders felt during the Crusades.

We're going down the same rabbit hole folks, only now the shoe is on the other foot. So, of course, it doesn't make a whole lotta sense.

They're not calling it a Jihad for nothing. At least, that's what they're calling it.

JMHO

coolgunguy

I agree... but, you have to remember one minor detail.  The Old Testament doesn't apply to Christians insomuch as there's no longer "eye for eye, tooth for tooth" dealings anymore.  Yes, the Crusades were done in the name of "Christianity", but that mostly just allowed folks who wanted to do some things put a happy face on them to make those things more palatable for Joe Sixpack.  Joe Sixpack doesn't argue with God, doncha' know...

Spk

Exactly.

Only now the shoe is on the other foot. And again we see a misconstruing of someone's sacred text to do evil.

Btw, the old and new testaments are hardly a minor detail except to a Jihadist. For them it's either our way or death.

There's been many ways to rally people to violence but first you need a common enemy, real or perceived. It's all good, as long as it works.

Fisheadgib

I've been reading some controversy About AOC tweeting 14 times about the 50 muslims that were murdered in New Zealand but hasn't tweeted a word about the 253 christians murdered in Sri Lanka.