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Fluted Ammo?

I was just reading the June issue of another gun magazine, and they had an article on fluted ammunition. Has anyone tested any of this at the range? Not that I don't trust gun writers, but I'd like feedback from more than just the guy writing the article, from more than one source, so to speak.

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    Not much of a person for trying " the latest and greatest"...230 grain JHP for self defense and 230 grain FMJ for practice has been working for me for a long time...nothing broken, nothing to fix...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • ShannonHayesShannonHayes Posts: 211 Member
    Jayhawker said:
    Not much of a person for trying " the latest and greatest"...230 grain JHP for self defense and 230 grain FMJ for practice has been working for me for a long time...nothing broken, nothing to fix...
    The ammo that the guy at the gunshop set me up with when I bought my gun is 230 grain FMJ , American Eagle brand. I've seen American Eagle ammo in several gun magazines gun tests, but don't recall how it performed. Do you have any experience or opinion of it? Concerning the fluted ammo, like you, I don't usually get on the "latest, greatest" trend bandwagon. I'm just now starting to come around to AR's, LOL! But, it never hurts to seek out information.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    American Eagle is made by Federal. Good stuff IMO.

    They had a recall of some lots of that ammo some years back. Long over, and all those lots should be long gone.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,716 Senior Member
    As to the fluted ammo; below is a post I made back some time ago:

    I bought that box of Ruger ARX ammo today and took it to the field with 2 half gal milk jugs and filled them with water at the creek.

    I was using a Blackhawk.
    Ammo shot to POA which was a pleasant surprise since it is 118 gr bullets and billed at 1307 fps. The jugs made a big slash when hit and flew off the section of pine log
    I had them on; one jug split in half and the other was torn up badly.

    There were 2 issues, one of the rnds had to be pushed hard into a chamber in the cylinder to seat all the way and when I unloaded that unfired rnd it took a lot of effort to push it back out.
    The other rnds just dropped in and dropped out.

    It is not dirty ammo though I only fired 2 rnds. I did not see any plastic smears in the barrel or chambers such as you can get from plastic wads
    in a shotgun barrel.
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,262 Senior Member
    It is REALLY easy to overthink ammo, and I think a contributing factor to that is manufacturer's tendency to OVERSELL ammo, because, well, they don't want you buying someone else's. 

    I cast my own, and truthfully, I'm not really any less confident in the ability of flat-nosed solids of varying alloys and flat-nosed FMJ's chosen for varying applications to do the job than I am of the hyper-engineered duty loads of today.  You can turn your energy into penetration or diameter.  I'm in the camp of paranoid that it won't penetrate enough rather than paranoid that it will penetrate too much, so massive expansion  or an effort to displace tissue is something I'm more concerned by than impressed by.

    The reality of handgun rounds:  they aren't striking fast enough to displace elastic tissue fast enough to cause tearing to a larger diameter than what the bullet actually touches, so these fluted slugs are probably just marketing fluff and their effect will be indistinguishable from the solid lead slugs of Wyatt Earp.  With a 230 grain .45, you'll have finished a diameter of between .452" to a little over an inch - pretty insignificant really. The biggest mushrooms will stop in gel after about a foot and maybe not reach deep enough; the non-expanders will make a tunnel maybe three times longer, will reach what they need to, in the straight line they were launched on, and will probably exit.  What's the goals here?
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,969 Senior Member
    Here's a nice write-up if you're just looking for a little more info.

    I'll keep my old reliables on the ready line for now. These new rounds have a lot more proving to do.
    Funny sidenote. The standard military ball in 45 acp has been getting the job done since it's adoption and now for some reason it's considered a poor performer and relegated to Target use only?
    If all I had was a 1911a1 and a box of 230 grain ball, I  wouldn't consider that a bad thing. 👍

    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • ShannonHayesShannonHayes Posts: 211 Member
    Spk said:
    Here's a nice write-up if you're just looking for a little more info.

    I'll keep my old reliables on the ready line for now. These new rounds have a lot more proving to do.
    Funny sidenote. The standard military ball in 45 acp has been getting the job done since it's adoption and now for some reason it's considered a poor performer and relegated to Target use only?
    If all I had was a 1911a1 and a box of 230 grain ball, I  wouldn't consider that a bad thing. 👍

    Spk, thanks for your reply. And, that's what I was thinking about the military ball ammo. But, I do like gaining knowledge, so thought I'd ask on here what others experience was.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    My 300 grain .45 hard cast bullets with a .40 cal flat meplat, fired at 1300 FPS from my Ruger Blackhawk penetrate 16" of wet newsprint, leave a 2" entry hole, and can be reloaded and fired again.  The only disruption of the bullet is the rifling engraving.  Who needs "flutes"???????
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,262 Senior Member
    Teach said:
    Who needs "flutes"???????
    This guy:

    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,969 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Teach said:
    Who needs "flutes"???????
    This guy:

    Only things missing are a raging bon fire and Chipmunks.
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited May 2019 #12
    Fluted ammo looks great, but meh. If your cutting drywall, fine, I will use JHP of some form. 
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
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