So Why Don't More Shooter Types Join The Military?

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  • mkk41mkk41 Banned Posts: 1,932 Senior Member
    Same reason it took my draft-card burning hippie brother 5 years to get a 4 year degree. Yeah , he dropped out in '75. Went back several years later.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,376 Senior Member
    Not to mention that sought refuge with our neighbor to the north...I'm still cranked that they ever allowed them to come home...
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 1,946 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
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    Notice the Camelback full of gravy... also...mag pouches hold a two pack of Ho Hos quite nicely...

    You guys haven't spent much time around some of the Militia groups have ya?

    So those are Pop Tarts along the LBE straps?
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    N320AW wrote: »
    I've had the occasion, many times, to discuss assault rifles, their loads and ammunition, with a lot of shooters, who come to shoot at the range . . . some wearing military gear in which one would think these guys are getting ready to deploy to a combat zone!

    What is with this?

    A few regulars I have asked, "Why don't you join the U.S. Army? There, you can shoot all you want!"
    I have NEVER gotten a straight answer to that question! I am amazed.

    Is it just me or are there many shooters who go to a shooting range with their STUFF (AR-15, SKS, AK-47)and try, for a short period of time, to be someone they are not?

    What is your take?

    Where is your humanity? :tooth::roll2::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Dunno, the same guys that criticize the people that have not served, heap the same criticism on those of Us that volunteered to go into harms way..
    I think it is pretty lame.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,952 Senior Member
    PFD wrote: »
    1) I am much better at installing and maintaining complicated communications stuff than I would be a soldier.

    2) I am not a "wannabe" anything except maybe a firearms enthusiast.

    3) If you asked me that question, my (admittedly smart aleck) answer would be to ask you why you don't get a private sector job where you could pay for your own toys instead of relying on the rest of us private sector folks to earn a living and pay taxes so you can "shoot all you want" while we pay for it? (That doesn't actually convey my true feelings but a dumb question deserves a dumb answer.)

    I have the utmost respect for anyone that risks their life to make mine more secure but I also have no problem recognizing that every bullet, bomb and ,yes, paycheck used by any branch of the Military would not be possible if it weren't for the other American heroes, the American taxpayer.


    Now excuse me while I put on a John Wayne movie and clean my AR. :usa:

    And now you can no longer say truthfully that you have NEVER gotten a straight answer to that question!

    +1. Well said.

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  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    Perhaps using something as honorable as "serving" as a tool to dismiss others and feel superior is not the most respectful thing towards those that serve (and die) then the same could say of adults that "pretend and steal the glory" without taking the risk too?

    Seems to me that not everyone that serves is automatically an standup person, there are all kinds, by the same token not everyone that puts a darned flashlight on an AR is a pretentious ninja mall, it comes down to what you do WTSHTF and not everyone has the opportunity to do so, some neither have the desire as well.
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  • N320AWN320AW Senior Member Posts: 648 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Where is your humanity? :tooth::roll2::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

    Two trips to RVN. That is where my humanity is! (1968-69)

    Where were you? Not that I obviously care due to your SA remark!
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,685 Senior Member
    N320AW wrote: »
    A few regulars I have asked, "Why don't you join the U.S. Army? There, you can shoot all you want!"

    They can not grasp the idea of Barrel Control and it scares them.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,383 Senior Member
    N320AW wrote: »
    Two trips to RVN. That is where my humanity is! (1968-69)

    Where were you? Not that I obviously care due to your SA remark!
    :popcorn:
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,685 Senior Member
    For a simpler, more short answer version of the OP's original question which basically asks why more people dont join the military......... 1. I dont like to be told what to do and where to do it. 2. I dont like being in a situation where I may loose my LIFE. 3. I dont want to be away from my family for any extended period of time. 4. Uncle Sam owns your arse until your done or they are done with you. These btw, are just my reasons.

    Damn.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    N320AW wrote: »
    Two trips to RVN. That is where my humanity is! (1968-69)

    Where were you? Not that I obviously care due to your SA remark!

    Wasn't it you that used the phrase "Where is your humanity" years ago on here over some thread which made it often repeated in reply's to your posts on here?

    Oh, 68/69 I was 15 and 16 years old.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    BTW, thank you for your service N320AW. I'm retired Army and work with them on a daily basis now as a DAC and had the privilege to be deployed six times with them as a DAC (2X Iraq/2X Afghanistan/2X Kuwait).
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,053 Senior Member
    N320AW:
    I was at Danang 68-69.
    A Veteran is someone that served in the Military, it does not matter where they served.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    N320AW:
    I was at Danang 68-69.

    Thank you for your service to our country too NN :usa:
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,053 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    Thank you for your service to our country too NN :usa:

    That wasn't my intention, remember we were baby eaters, Yankee air pirates etc and fought a war that did nothing for our country. Besides that we were unwelcome when we came home to the point we could not travel in uniform and had to change in the head at the airport while the civilians bailed out of the head as if there were father rapers in there.

    Only thing not at the airport was the "Group W Bench".

    :jester:

    :iwo:

    You and many others on here did their part , when it was their time; and some are doing it now and all deserve credit. The newest is Breamfisher's BIL who is just getting out of AF Basic Training.
    A Veteran is someone that served in the Military, it does not matter where they served.
  • BakermanBakerman Member Posts: 382 Member
    I still don't see the connection between shooter types and the military. Sure the military shoots things. But how come you can't just go shoot cause it's fun? Shoot because it is hard to be good shooting a pistol at the 50 yrd line. Shoot because it is hard to hit a 300 yard target with a iron sight rifle. Shooting is a sport. Just enjoy it.

    In the military I shot once a year to qualify. It was a joke. SW .38 at close distance, sillouettes, all I had to do was score in the 90s to be expert. But in my real job we maintained systems and built things to destroy armies, towns and civilizations.
    Who says you shoot in the military?
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,685 Senior Member
    I still like to think that as in the Colonial days, when needed, every able body man will be a part of the military (militia). Also like in Colonial times, it would be benificial if they showed up with their own rifle..... :guns:
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 10,036 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    I still like to think that as in the Colonial days, when needed, every able body man will be a part of the military (militia). Also like in Colonial times, it would be benificial if they showed up with their own rifle..... :guns:

    Good point. According to the Militia Act of 1792, all able bodied males between the ages of 18 and 45 needs to be ready and "furnish themselves with proper firearms and accoutrements"
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    To Pete and Repeat:
    Criticism of this type is in short, lame.

    There will always be a reason to judge someone, it is Goldilock's syndrome in that there is always something wrong with the porridge, it is too hot or too cold and even when it is just right, someone will find something wrong with it.

    Pete and Repeat criticize people for not serving, and then those of Us that have served and have lived a life of service will be railed on for having PTSD, chronic skin ailments and other health problems.

    Damned if you have not served and damned killer if you did.

    Go pound sand.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • ghostsniper1ghostsniper1 Banned Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    Who was that meant for Doc?
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,685 Senior Member
    Who was that meant for Doc?

    Pete and repeat.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • ghostsniper1ghostsniper1 Banned Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    ???? Dont understand the lingo or who pete and repeat, refers to.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Pete & Repeat were imaginary characters or rumor mongers that spread rumors, as in "If you have not heard a rumor by 10 am, start one".....

    Hence why My comments were aimed at them and not any poster here, lest any be offended.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,053 Senior Member
    I'm getting confused and upset over this thread, maybe since I was of military age during the draft era and the all vol present age. I chose to enter the USMC and stay, by the way I would have been drafted and was ordered to report twice, I did 20 others of you did too; and many served less time with distinction.

    Some do not want to and would not do well in the military, some of us had or have civilian jobs that are so important to our country that being in the military might be detrimental to the country.

    Others might have to go to Canada if the draft came back.

    I think the mods should lock this thread.
    A Veteran is someone that served in the Military, it does not matter where they served.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,685 Senior Member
    I didn't take to folks giving me orders either but you get used to it pretty quick.

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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    Unless you're the dictator of your own country, there is always someone that tells you what to do.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • shootershooter Senior Member Posts: 1,186 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    I didn't take to folks giving me orders either but you get used to it pretty quick.

    Yeah, the whole concept was tough at first. "Uniform of the day" always made me chuckle.
    "Where are your gloves soldier?"
    My hands aren't cold sarge.
    Once out of basic and AIT, most of that crap went away.

    Joe
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I find another aspect of this funny, I have been taking orders as long as I can remember, My dad was Army and yelled orders at Me, lots of those from K - HS then 2 years A in electronics, orders first sworn in as a LEO in banana land, later on I Volunteered for that mess in Central America, took lots of orders there, cam back worked in EMS / Fire - LEO, lots of orders.
    I have always followed order and sometimes given them.

    What is the beef with orders ??

    Why lock this thread ?
    As much as it bothers Me in My current condition, I do not think it is necessary to censor anyone.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,053 Senior Member
    Ok then, but there is a lot of censoring in this thread.
    A Veteran is someone that served in the Military, it does not matter where they served.
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