New Springfield Armory 9mm Subcompact Pistol

CSRoss0

Springfield just dropped their new 9mm subcompact pistol (the Hellcat) and it is poised to take over the concealed carry market. This pistol was designed to challenge the P365 in that market. What does everyone think of this new pistol? 

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/springfield-hellcat-9mm-subcompact-review/368037

CSRoss0

Springfield just dropped their new 9mm subcompact pistol (the Hellcat) and it is poised to take over the concealed carry market. This pistol was designed to challenge the P365 in that market. What does everyone think of this new pistol? 

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/springfield-hellcat-9mm-subcompact-review/368037

bullsi1911

But how will I know where to grip it?  

It needs.... GRIP ZONE!!!!

bullsi1911

edit- CSRoss0 is Digital Editor for Outdoor Sportsman Group, the parent company of Guns & Ammo.  

Full disclosure.  

breamfisher

bullsi1911 said:

But how will I know where to grip it?  

It needs.... GRIP ZONE!!!!

My thoughts exactly.

As with most folks now that it's been announced on social media.  

knitepoet

bullsi1911 said:

 CSRoss0 is Digital Editor for Outdoor Sportsman Group, the parent company of Guns & Ammo.  

Full disclosure.  

Nice to know 

GunNut

Good detailed article.  Much better than some of the fast gloss over pieces that dominate the publishing world nowadays.  Thank you.

Now on a personal note...  CRAP!!!   Just as I’m finally convincing myself that the P365 is my next investment in a SD gun THIS comes out 🤬

Diver43

Topic of discussion at work this morning. First thing co workers said:  Did you get that P365 yet? I said hoping for a drop in price, then he told me about this one.  Geez looks like a great gun but expensive. Hoping to hold one before too long

GunNut

Diver43 said:

Topic of discussion at work this morning. First thing co workers said:  Did you get that P365 yet? I said hoping for a drop in price, then he told me about this one.  Geez looks like a great gun but expensive. Hoping to hold one before too long

Yep, and notice the grip safety is gone?!?!? 

Gene L

Got a 365, and I'm not interested in the SA.  I'm sure it's a good gun,  but I've got a sub-sub compact I like and I'm not in the market.  As of now, it's untried and I expect it will be for a while until tests and reviews.  Pretty premature at this point.

CHIRO1989

CSRoss0 said:

Springfield just dropped their new 9mm subcompact pistol (the Hellcat) and it is poised to take over the concealed carry market. This pistol was designed to challenge the P365 in that market. What does everyone think of this new pistol? 

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/springfield-hellcat-9mm-subcompact-review/368037

Welcome, hey. To answer your question, it looks interesting, I have not shot a P365 yet, I have a compact 320 , and I like how that shoots better than a Glock 19

Accipiter

bullsi1911 said:

edit- CSRoss0 is Digital Editor for Outdoor Sportsman Group, the parent company of Guns & Ammo.  

Full disclosure.  

So this is a commercial?

Diver43

For me the P365 shoots way better than the Glock43.  After shooting it  next to the 43, it became a no brainer to me. Now I have to take a look at  this one too.  

GunNut

Accipiter said:

bullsi1911 said:

edit- CSRoss0 is Digital Editor for Outdoor Sportsman Group, the parent company of Guns & Ammo.  

Full disclosure.  

So this is a commercial?

Not when you own the station.

zorba

From the article: "In our opinion, the two-year-old SIG Sauer P365 and Springfield Hellcat Standard and OSP models antiquate all other subcompact, 9mm pistols."

This is exactly what I said when the P365 came out - right after I bought my LC9s. By comparison, the Hellcat and LC9s are the same length at 6 inches, but the LC9s is taller by about 1/4 of an inch. Mossberg and Kimber, among others, got caught flatfooted by the P365 having new sub-compact nines already well along in their engineering pipelines when Sig introduced theirs. Everybody else has been trying to catch up ever since! I'm sure SA has patented their magazine design as well, there are only so many ways to do this in the space required, so it'll be interesting to see how many others - if any - manage to compete with these. Glock put out a half hearted effort with the G43X, but that isn't really the same thing.

rbsivley

I heard one time, Never go to a gunfight with anything that don't start with a 4

zorba

So no .50 Beowulf then?

jbp-ohio

Accipiter said:

bullsi1911 said:

edit- CSRoss0 is Digital Editor for Outdoor Sportsman Group, the parent company of Guns & Ammo.  

Full disclosure.  

So this is a commercial?

knitepoet

GunNut said:

Not when you own the station.

LOL #truth

Accipiter

I don’t see how it is any less a commercial because G&A owns it.  Stations run commercials for their own content all the time.  This is a commercial, simple as that.

CHIRO1989

Might help if the original poster stopped back in and introduced his/herself

breamfisher

Not really my thing. If I'm carrying a double stack, I want a full grip, and if I have a full grip I may as well have a 4 inch barrel. 

Bigslug

FAR more interested in the Glock 48 and 43x options with their standard 10-round stacks, and for those who care, an aftermarket flush-fit 15 rounder may soon be available.

JasonMPD

I don't have interest in any SA polymer gun offering.

Gene L

I understand the feeling, although I love plastic guns.  I'm not warming up to the 365, which is excellent in all respects.  Instead, I'm more drawn to my J Frames, which I carry in my pocket, and my PPKs, one in .32 and one in .380.

Uncle Fester

zorba said:

From the article: "In our opinion, the two-year-old SIG Sauer P365 and Springfield Hellcat Standard and OSP models antiquate all other subcompact, 9mm pistols."

This is exactly what I said when the P365 came out - right after I bought my LC9s. By comparison, the Hellcat and LC9s are the same length at 6 inches, but the LC9s is taller by about 1/4 of an inch. Mossberg and Kimber, among others, got caught flatfooted by the P365 having new sub-compact nines already well along in their engineering pipelines when Sig introduced theirs. Everybody else has been trying to catch up ever since! I'm sure SA has patented their magazine design as well, there are only so many ways to do this in the space required, so it'll be interesting to see how many others - if any - manage to compete with these. Glock put out a half hearted effort with the G43X, but that isn't really the same thing.

I took my new P365 out the first time yesterday.  As a Glock fanboy, this is what I found:

Pros:
1) The 10 round mag with the pinky extension fit me perfectly.  

2) Trigger - significantly better than my G43/19’s.  The lack of the trigger safety made it much easier to shoot.
3) Unlike my LCP, I am confident that I could shoot it accurately.  Recoil was mitigated to the point that I didn’t care at all.
4 ) Virtually identical to my G43 in size.

Cons: 
1)  The trigger is almost too good for a concealed carry gun.  For safety reasons, I think a lot of Hellcats will be sold vs the Sig.  

2)I had more than a few failure to go into battery events.  Since my Buddy didn’t have a similar problem, I assume it was a “me” problem and noticed it went away as I got more rounds downrange.  Nevertheless, I’ll need more practice with it before I trust it over the G43.   A good cleaning and lubrication tomorrow is part of my “fix it” plan. 

Uncle Fester

Uncle Fester said:

zorba said:

From the article: "In our opinion, the two-year-old SIG Sauer P365 and Springfield Hellcat Standard and OSP models antiquate all other subcompact, 9mm pistols."

This is exactly what I said when the P365 came out - right after I bought my LC9s. By comparison, the Hellcat and LC9s are the same length at 6 inches, but the LC9s is taller by about 1/4 of an inch. Mossberg and Kimber, among others, got caught flatfooted by the P365 having new sub-compact nines already well along in their engineering pipelines when Sig introduced theirs. Everybody else has been trying to catch up ever since! I'm sure SA has patented their magazine design as well, there are only so many ways to do this in the space required, so it'll be interesting to see how many others - if any - manage to compete with these. Glock put out a half hearted effort with the G43X, but that isn't really the same thing.

I took my new P365 out the first time yesterday.  As a Glock fanboy, this is what I found:

Pros:
1) The 10 round mag with the pinky extension fit me perfectly.  

2) Trigger - significantly better than my G43/19’s.  The lack of the trigger safety made it much easier to shoot.
3) Unlike my LCP, I am confident that I could shoot it accurately.  Recoil was mitigated to the point that I didn’t care at all.
4 ) Virtually identical to my G43 in size.

Con: 
1)  I had more than a few failure to go into battery events.  Since my Buddy didn’t have a similar problem, I assume it was a “me” problem and noticed it went away as I got more rounds downrange.  Nevertheless, I’ll need more practice with it before I trust it over the G43.   A good cleaning and lubrication tomorrow is part of my “fix it”plan. 

Diver43

The better than most trigger is why the P365 also comes with a manual safety.  Not for everyone, but a choice for those that prefer it.

zorba

When I bought my LC9s, it was a neck-to-neck run between it and the G43 in my mind - so if the P365's trigger is better than a G43, it's gotta be pretty decent at least. @Diver43 Yea, I like a manual safety as well.

@uncle fester Thanx for the range report!

Zee

JasonMPD said:

I don't have interest in any SA polymer gun offering.

This. 

Diver43

Zee said:

JasonMPD said:

I don't have interest in any SA polymer gun offering.

This. 

Is that because you are staying with the Glock platform only,  or is there something about SA?