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earlyagain
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Interesting information.

http://deadlyweapons-army.blogspot.com/2011/08/deadl-quiet-special-purpose-revolver.html?m=1
I've read about this weapon and ammunition before, but so far this is the most comprehensive treatise I've seen. I found it accidentally well searching for other content.
From previous discussions, I think most of us agree that shot shells have a narrow and limited scope of effective use, and become ineffectual beyond or outside that small window. Special purpose handguns specific to the .410 shot shell, and their fanatical adcocates occasionally become a convenient target of gest.
The information in the linked article does seem to indicate that even the small shotshells do provide serious performance at very close range. No doubt we've all seen this to be the case with larger bore shotguns.
Something to consider for anyone interested in the pursuit of understanding.
I've read about this weapon and ammunition before, but so far this is the most comprehensive treatise I've seen. I found it accidentally well searching for other content.
From previous discussions, I think most of us agree that shot shells have a narrow and limited scope of effective use, and become ineffectual beyond or outside that small window. Special purpose handguns specific to the .410 shot shell, and their fanatical adcocates occasionally become a convenient target of gest.
The information in the linked article does seem to indicate that even the small shotshells do provide serious performance at very close range. No doubt we've all seen this to be the case with larger bore shotguns.
Something to consider for anyone interested in the pursuit of understanding.
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The linked information was likely classified for quite awhile before becoming public.
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
I would assume???
That modern .410 shotshells carry a significantly improved pay load at an improved velocity over the suppressed military round, although minus the suppression.
And running rabbits? Beat them by a 3-1 margin.
The .410 is under-rated. Not my first choice for much of anything, but certainly not to be relegated to the "nose-bleed" seats.
Mike
N454casull
I'd be inclined to think a precision choked smooth bore in combination with shot contained in a properly engineered wad would put pellets on target better than a rifled barrel that's compromised to fire 45 Colt cartridges alternatively.
Although, it seems likely that .410 shotshells marketed for handgun use are engineered for maximum performance in that application.
I have a .410 and using the 3" shells loaded with 11/16 oz (301 grains) of #4 at 1150 fps, you don't want to be in front of it when it goes off! At arms length away it will spank you 😈
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
We didn't have duck dogs or decoys, so our duck hunting was pass-shooting ("sky-busting" if you will). That particular load accounted for more than a few limits of 40+ yard ducks.
Mike
N454casull
Everything Ive read indicates that pellets on target is what kills. Speed and mass being of lesser import.
Also shotgun barrels and ammunition type can be peculiar. Older shells having paper wads and older barrels having different shaped forcing cones to accommodate those. As well as modern shells having space age polymer wads that perform over a wide range of choke.
I don't think there can be any doubt about the .410's payload being effective when delivered on target.
― Douglas Adams
Its sounds like the 410/45 revolvers are giving up a lot of performance to the compromised chambering pair. Performance that maybe isn't likely to be missed at 10 feet or so.
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
Mike
N454casull