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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Even Bill Clinton, with a similar diet eats salmon every week.

    A 20 ounce bowl of cabbage soup has 127 calories, 0 fat, 27 carbs (of which are 7 grams of fiber) and 5 grams of protein.
    I’ll get back to eating healthy animal protein.  My research shows that a 12 week “vegan jump start” will be highly beneficial.  I’ll take it from there.  I’m mostly curious and I can do ANYTHING for 3 months.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    edited November 2019 #93
    GunNut said:
    Baking soda needs an acid and liquid to be activated. Baking powder only needs a liquid since it has its own acid mixed with it.
    So the purpose/end result is the same, just ingredient dependent?
    Yes. So if you are making something acidic like a lemon cake, baking soda alone would work fine. Something with less acid like corn bread will probably need baking powder. Some old school corn bread recipes actually call for a bit of vinegar or buttermilk. The reason is to activate the baking soda.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    And if you are really smart, snag that alfredo sauce recipe. And the meat sauce. A little bird tells me that someone will soon be running a food truck with very similar (but proprietary) recipes for their sauces.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    I have to print a few of those tomorrow.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,750 Senior Member
    Well, two stories...my wife was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 1991 or so. She was always a fan of non-processed food, and upon her diagnosed with it, went only on a Macro (I think that's what it was called) diet for the last couple of year of her life.  After two operations, we ended up at M.D. Anderson cancer clinic in Houston. The doctors said there was a 10% survival rate.

    After eating all-natural foods for probably the last two years of her life, consuming "natural ingredients" and raw foods, she died. In her case, "all natural" didn't any good.

    The other example was with a guy who replaced me in Recon Echo 2/3 for about two weeks in 1969 after I was sent to the  rear, his name was Lanning, can't remember his first name, and wrote a book about his service, (which you can probably find on Kindle) was also diagnosed with kidney cancer.  I saw him back in 19xx, the year/date that Farrah Fawcett and Micheal Jackson died, at a VN reunion.  He asked me to talk about what to expect.  My view was pessimistic. given my experience.  He went of the extreme diet, and so far as I know, he's alive today.

    Maybe he's the 10%.  But eating raw vegetables had to suck.  My wife, in Houston one late night after Chemo, (which was a bad experience) felt a strong desire for a hamburger.  Without me noticing, (we were sleeping in separate rooms due to her health  problems) at about 2 am, she took our rented car and found a hamburger somewhere pretty far away, given the time.  She was taking Demorel and kinda out of her mind. Had she been arrested for DUI (which she clearly was) it would be  a serious problem.  I have no idea how she made her way back to where we were staying.  I took the keys.

    So, maybe it works, or maybe Lanning was a 10% pre center, and my wife was not.
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Hi Gene,  

    Kim's lead oncologist is a brilliant guy and my wife's cancer had a low survivability %.  About as bad a diagnosis as you can get with the type of cancer she had.  On February we will be celebrating her 5 year anniversary, a HUGE milestone for her type of cancer and we owe it to God and her Doctors.

    Anyway this brilliant doctor told my wife that Cancer is a game of numbers and regardless of what you do there are billions of variables that can save you or bite you and all you can do is play the odds to stack these numbers in your favor.  Because of this EVERY decision counts.  Does not mean you are guaranteed winning, but it gives you a lot more lottery tickets.

    So we went with healthier lifestyle/diets, above and beyond in even doing chemo's that are still under trial but showing great success for her type of cancer, and even a phase 1 Clinical Trial for a new technology at a world famous Cancer Hospital that we had to fly to every two weeks for a few months.

    Because of God's grace my wife made it through her ordeal and she is fine today.  Yet my mom died at 35 of cervical cancer which even back then was 98% curable.

    Cancer (and all of life for that matter) is a high stakes crap game until actual cures are discovered.  And even cures will probably not work 100%.

    Anyway I'm on this journey because of some recently discovered health issues, and again like every one of us, I could fall down dead on the way to turning on the light in my office and all this would be for naught. My dad used to tell me, NO ONE has the next 30 seconds of life guaranteed.  

    But like my wife I'm only trying to stack the numbers in my favor.  I do have a lot to live for and want to stay around as long as I can to make my family's life miserable and become a burden on these bastards that I've fed, clothed and housed all my life.  That's actually my only goal.  B)
  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 688 Senior Member
    https://chriskresser.com/debunking-the-game-changers-joe-rogan/

    Destroys the Documentary “game changers” which is basically a comercial for James Camron and his wife. As they both stand to make a lot of money with people switching to Vegan diets. 

    Destroys the “vegan diet made me healthier” argument. As well as the vegan diet reverses heart diese. 

    The study Gunnut (or his super smart DUKE doctors) likes to state used people who on average weighted 34lbs heavier than the control. They also made the experiment group quit smoking and drinking and made them eat a very disciplined strict diet. I’m pretty everyone of us if put on a strict disciplined diet would be healthier. Even with meat in it. 

    The Vegan honeymoon is pretty much exactly what you think yep I’m eating healthier whole natural foods I feel better but it a year there’s a lot lacking.  

    Bottom line eat healthy Whole Foods with balance and exercise. Just meat or just vegetables isn’t the way. 

    And for the record my not smart (he didn’t go to duke) doctor agrees. 
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    https://chriskresser.com/debunking-the-game-changers-joe-rogan/

    Destroys the Documentary “game changers” which is basically a comercial for James Camron and his wife. As they both stand to make a lot of money with people switching to Vegan diets. 

    Destroys the “vegan diet made me healthier” argument. As well as the vegan diet reverses heart diese. 

    The study Gunnut (or his super smart DUKE doctors) likes to state used people who on average weighted 34lbs heavier than the control. They also made the experiment group quit smoking and drinking and made them eat a very disciplined strict diet. I’m pretty everyone of us if put on a strict disciplined diet would be healthier. Even with meat in it. 

    The Vegan honeymoon is pretty much exactly what you think yep I’m eating healthier whole natural foods I feel better but it a year there’s a lot lacking.  

    Bottom line eat healthy Whole Foods with balance and exercise. Just meat or just vegetables isn’t the way. 

    And for the record my not smart (he didn’t go to duke) doctor agrees. 
    Thank you.  I read the "article" and explored the site.  Some interesting points but I don't think I want to assign a high a value to the options of some guy with no real credentials selling his own "system" and his facility.  I'd rather really heavily on the information I'm getting from the Cleveland Clinic and Duke University.  The first is number one in the world in Cardiac care and the second is the #1 in my state.  People travel from around the world to come see the doctor I've chosen for a reason so it would be foolish of me to seek guidance from lesser.  

    As far as your own doctor's opinion that is great that you are having these discussions.  Mine said that according to some of my tests I would probably be looking at surgery.  So I decided to go to a real expert (Duke) where I was told that her advice was sound... 20 years ago.  You see my doctor is a nice family doctor but when I feel I need a specialist, I go look for the top one I can get, because when it comes to my health I will seek the best and most current knowledge.  

    When my wife got cancer there was another woman in the neighborhood hat got the same cancer she did.  I took my wife to Duke, she had her care done by a local oncologist.  Mine is still alive, we are celebrating her 65th year anniversary in February.  We just buried our friend about a month ago.  Could just be coincidence but I doubt it.  At Duke I met another lady who was a stage 4... NINE years ago.  She came to Duke after her local Doctor had written her off.

    The information I'm trying to share it here for anyone that wants to hear it.  I'm Ok with folks not caring about it, with some disagreeing with it and I absolutely welcome credible challenges.  My only intent is to become more educated and if it helps anyone else that a big bonus.
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member

    Update:

    I had a full house for Thanksgiving with both my kids and significant others spending the  the week+ with us.  Sticking to my diet was to say the least challenging and I did not want to saddle the young folks in my house with my new dietary restrictions.  So I checked with my doctor and he said go ahead and "cheat" a holiday or a few "slips" is fine.  So I enjoyed turkey for Thanksgiving and since my son requested steak for his birthday dinner (which we celebrated while he was here with us) dad grilled a whole beef tenderloin for the whole family to enjoy, and enjoy we did.

    First I will say that after just a few meals back eating meat and dairy my allergies have returned.  I had not had ONE sniffle or had to take Allegra for weeks now.  Allregra has been one of my daily meds since I moved to NC and my allergies, which were mild before, turned into severe.  My nose was dripping like a broken faucet on Friday, day after Thanksgiving.  I found that fascinating and I need to research this closer.

    I'm also feeling sluggish and my glucose is about 20 points higher while eating the same amount of carbs/sugars as I normally do but also having meat, than what I've been averaging with plant based only.  This is also interesting and I need to look more into it too.  

    I'm now back to my "vegan" diet and will be looking to see the results of the return.  The allergies resolved themselves within two days of me stopping eating meat/dairy but the higher blood glucose readings continue.  I'm hoping for a decline in the next few days.
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Update: I continue to be deeply amused (end at times perplexed) by how little I miss meat.  Cheese on the other hand is challenging but finding some very good Vegan substitutes and experimenting with recipes.  

    I have lost the few pounds I put on during Thanksgiving and allergies and blood glucose is well within normal range regardless of what I eat.  I find I can enjoy breads, fruit preserves, juices and other foods that were pretty much off limits before without my blood glucose spiking after I eat them.  

    Another huge benefit, I have switched from half/half and cream in my coffee to an Oatmeal creamer by Silk and it does have real sugar in it which again I can now tolerate just fine without a sugar spike.  No more fake sugar in coffee for me!  Interestingly enough after I got past the fact that Oatmeal Milk is NOT milk I found out that it is rich and creamy and better than milk in many respects, including TASTE!!!  A big homemade oatmeal cookie and a cold glass of Oat Milk is rather nice treat!  Who the hell knew...

    On that note I continue to find incredibly GREAT foods that are plant based.  One thing that has helped a lot is that I've also found some great ways of enjoying some of my old favorite foods with vegan alternatives.  For example here's lunch today.  A big bowl vegan Chili and fresh baked bread (YES I LOVE beans in my chili) which I threw together in about 20 minutes and to tell the truth is absolutely impossible to tell the difference from the beef recipe, except for the guilt.  Too bad I was out of guacamole because a big dollop of that on top would have been superb!



    If anyone is interested I will be happy to post the recipe on Jerm's food thread or PM it to you.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Merrritt Island, FLPosts: 25,219 Senior Member
    That chili looks good, and veggi chilis often are. You can keep the guac though...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #103
    Get some of this and add in either some beans or lentils for a better texture. Then add regular old Manwich sauce (which is vegan) for some pretty good vegan sloppy joes.


    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Thanks!!!  I'll order it to try it out.  I've been using this and in sauces, tacos or chili it behaves EXACTLY like chopped beef.  No one has been able to tell the difference so far.  But it's a little expensive, though not ridiculously so.


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #105
    That link I have is just your basic old school textured vegetable protein. If you are going to run with this, it is very versatile and pretty inexpensive when you buy it like that. You may want to look into vital wheat gluten and nutritional yeast as well. The yeast? It kind of tastes like Parmesan cheese and goes great on popcorn.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    That link I have is just your basic old school textured vegetable protein. If you are going to run with this, it is very versatile and pretty inexpensive when you buy it like that. You may want to look into vital wheat gluten and nutritional yeast as well. The yeast? It kind of tastes like Parmesan cheese and goes great on popcorn.
    Yep, I’ve been using the yeast is place of Parmesan cheese when I make my vegan bolognese sauce.  It’s great over whole wheat pasta!  Very filling, great taste and again, my blood glucose stays put which was not the case when I was eating a meat bolognese with regular pasta.  I find that interesting.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Merrritt Island, FLPosts: 25,219 Senior Member
    Chili, even chili with meat as my wife makes it, is remarkably low in calories. I was pretty shocked, actually. I've been on a diet since September, down about 15 lbs, and falling about 1lb a week. Just dropped below 230 for the first time in well over a decade. I want to drop to about 205, it'll be interesting to see what I have to do to put the brakes on at that point.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Good for you!  I can tell you from personal experience that in general you’ll feel a lot better.  I too expected to stop around 205 but went all the way to 182.  Felt GREAT!  But my wife did not like me that skinny so I have stabilized at 188-192.  A nice compromise we can both live with.  
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Merrritt Island, FLPosts: 25,219 Senior Member
    I know you lost a buncha weight - and frankly, you were an inspiration! I weighed about 185-190 when we got married, but I also looked like a survivor from Dachau.
    Doc told me when she saw me at 255, that I'd better "do something", otherwise "the problems" were going to start. I've seen what happens to dancers when they put on too much weight, it ain't pretty...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Colorado SpringsPosts: 7,821 Senior Member
    Hey, if you guys got a few pounds to spare.....plz toss them my way. My favorite weight for me is 160, but I haven't been there for decades. Been 148ish for years, but dropped to 134 after CA. A 14 lb weight loss on me is huge. It's taken me 17 months to regain 11 pounds.
    Don't get me wrong.....I've gotta watch my weight, just from the other end of the telescope. Having the genes of a supermodel ain't all it's cracked up to be when you're trying to drag a defunct water-heater out of the basement. :disappointed:

    Mike

    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Skinny people are sooooooo annoying...... 🤬
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Merrritt Island, FLPosts: 25,219 Senior Member
    Reminds me of the old Jenny Craig (?) commercial: "I'm in a size TWO!!!".
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Colorado SpringsPosts: 7,821 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Reminds me of the old Jenny Craig (?) commercial: "I'm in a size TWO!!!".
    Well, Bless your heart. I just checked with my wife, and if I wore the clothes you prefer.....I'd be a size 10. ;)

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Merrritt Island, FLPosts: 25,219 Senior Member
    I once had a miniskirt that claimed it was a size 10, but I didn't believe it.  I'm normally a 12-14, used to be a 14-16. So I hate you too! :D;)
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Colorado SpringsPosts: 7,821 Senior Member
    It's okay. I've grown accustomed to it.  ;)
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Reminds me of the old Jenny Craig (?) commercial: "I'm in a size TWO!!!".
    Well, Bless your heart. I just checked with my wife, and if I wore the clothes you prefer.....I'd be a size 10. ;)

    Mike
    Wow this went South fast!!!!! 🤣
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Merrritt Island, FLPosts: 25,219 Senior Member
    But what size are you in, GN? :D

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    But what size are you in, GN? :D

    32 slim jeans and size Medium or Large shirts/coats, mostly Medium unless they are cut more like European sizes.  No idea what my dress size is...  :#
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Merrritt Island, FLPosts: 25,219 Senior Member
    You don't know your dress/skirt size?!?! ;) I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say! :D
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Sent this picture to my daughter last night who IMMEDIATELY texted to my wife "DAD FELL OFF THE WAGON. I KNEW IT!!!"



    Well hat hot mess in my hands is a burger from Chili's!  With a black bean vegetarian patty!!!  Quite a tasty treat that absolutely satisfied my burger craving last night and gave my daughter a short lived moment of excitement!  :D
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Colorado SpringsPosts: 7,821 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    zorba said:
    Reminds me of the old Jenny Craig (?) commercial: "I'm in a size TWO!!!".
    Well, Bless your heart. I just checked with my wife, and if I wore the clothes you prefer.....I'd be a size 10. ;)

    Mike
    Wow this went South fast!!!!! 🤣
    Mind your mouth. You say "South" like it's a bad thing.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
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