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zorbazorba Senior MemberPosts: 23,650 Senior Member
Wife wants a new set for Xmas.
Henkel or other?
Please advise...
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,768 Senior Member
    Lots of good ones.  Had Henkels  for many years and they were superb.  We now have Shun and they hold an edge forever.  Daughter loves her Wusthof knives.  
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Specifically? Both the 10" and 8" chef knives, the scimitar, and the flexible boning knife. Beyond that, I would add a quality bread knife and a couple paring knives would be handy.
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,768 Senior Member
    Specifically? Both the 10" and 8" chef knives, the scimitar, and the flexible boning knife. Beyond that, I would add a quality bread knife and a couple paring knives would be handy.
    Yep, what he said.  And they are an outstanding value.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,147 Senior Member
    I have a lot of kitchen blades. The ones I love the most are the Shun Ken Onion series. 

    The ones Wes I use the most are the various commercial kitchen knives I’ve picked up from restaurant supply houses. Some Victorinox, some Dexter... need to try the cold steel ones.

    Do go to a restaurant supply place and buy a handfull of the cheap $5 pairing knives. You use them a lot and are handy as hell to have spares
    https://www.acemart.com/kitchen/cutlery/paring-knives/victorinox-6-7606-l114-3-1-4-green-paring-knife/FOR6-7606-L114
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,028 Senior Member
    I've been very impressed with Mercer Cutlery.

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,650 Senior Member
    Thanx guys - I now have a lot to look at. Gonna have to ask her what she actually uses.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    While I have some of the Cold Steel knives at my camp up north and do like them, I use the commercial knives they sell at Sam's Club at the house and in my prep kitchen. Why? They are cheap so I don't have to worry about them, ergonomic, plus hold a decent edge and sharpen up pretty easily.

    No matter what you get, make sure you get her a steel to go with them to touch up the edges. When you use one you will be surprised at how long the edges actually last before you need to sharpen them. The steel just straightens out the existing edge, and that is typically all a knife needs to cut right.
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  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 885 Senior Member
    Jermanator said:
    I use the commercial knives they sell at Sam's Club at the house and in my prep kitchen. Why? They are cheap so I don't have to worry about them, ergonomic, plus hold a decent edge and sharpen up pretty easily.

    This in spades.  They are the best value in kitchen knives out there.  They hold a better edge than my name brand knives, are dirt cheap, sharpen well, and feel good in the hand.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,028 Senior Member
    Here's another, Zorb.

    Don't laugh. Kiwi. Sold in most Asian food markets (or online) and so cheap it's almost like you're shoplifting them. I'm talking $4.89 for an 8" chefs knife, and $1.49  for a paring knife.

    Cheap steel, sharpens easily, and holds that edge for most kitchen chores. The best way to sharpen a Kiwi is by "steeling" it on the back edge of another Kiwi. Anything else, even ceramic is too aggressive. But, you can repeatedly whip out a true razor's edge in less time than it takes for you to decide it's dull. I'd not pick one for sectioning a rack of ribs (leave that to the Mercers), but I've yet to meet a veggie (including green acorn squash, which is saying something) that they wouldn't handle with aplomb.

    Got a drawer full of great Mercers, but truth is, the Kiwi's do 90% of the chores.

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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,221 Senior Member
    https://www.americastestkitchen.com/articles/420-how-to-build-the-best-knife-set

    That will be my next set. These guys rigorously test stuff. 

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  • GilaGila Posts: 1,828 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Wife wants a new set for Xmas.
    Henkel or other?
    Please advise...
    Ours are Henkel, and my Onion makes them razor sharp in seconds when they need it.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,028 Senior Member
    Gila said:
    zorba said:
    Wife wants a new set for Xmas.
    Henkel or other?
    Please advise...
    Ours are Henkel, and my Onion makes them razor sharp in seconds when they need it.
    Gila brings up a great point.

    The Work Sharp Ken Onion Edition sharpening system will turn any old crap knife into a razor in seconds. It works equally well on really nice knives.

    I've felt for years that the sharpening method or system was actually of more import than the knife steel itself. (Selection of the proper blade shape for the task at hand is the first consideration, of course. It's tough to slice whole ribs with a paring knife, and it's equally difficult to peel an apple with a carver. Exaggerated, I know, but you get the point). And I avoided anything other than hand honing on high dollar stones for decades.

    All knives get dull with use, be it Henkel (dollars) or Kiwi (cents). Getting them back into fighting trim is usually the issue and why most folks become disappointed  with "the knives they have".

    You can spend upward of $800 per blade on some fine Japanese folded steel or $4 for a Kiwi. My recommendation is to put your first $150 into a Work Sharp Ken Onion and you won't need to concern yourself very much about what you drag through it.

    You can thank @Knitepoet for this PSA.

    Mike
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    Forschner Knives, for the price I dont think you can get a better knife.

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,650 Senior Member
    Sharpening was my next question - and I've heard of the "worksharp". Thanx!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,086 Senior Member
    edited November 2019 #18
    @Linefinder, you're welcome.

    Zorba, I WILL suggest that if you buy a worksharp, you practice with some cheap knives first. You can round off a point and a few other things (and probably will) while learning the "touch" needed. Better to do that on a "throwaway" knife than a high dollar one
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,650 Senior Member
    I have plenty of cheap knives to practice with!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,730 Senior Member
    I bought a Ken Onion Work Sharp today.  It was $129.00 on Amazon, but if I got an Amazon Credit card, I could get $100 off...so it cost me $35 with shipping.  Looking forward to using it.  I can sharpen pretty good, but it takes so much time.
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,768 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    I bought a Ken Onion Work Sharp today.  It was $129.00 on Amazon, but if I got an Amazon Credit card, I could get $100 off...so it cost me $35 with shipping.  Looking forward to using it.  I can sharpen pretty good, but it takes so much time.
    I thought I was pretty good with stones and ceramic rods so I resisted for a long time.  The Worksharp changed my mind.  I now know I suck at sharpening.

    It has never been so easy to put a razor edge on a blade before.  I still keep the super fine rods around for a quick touch up but for serious work you can’t beat the Worksharp.  

    I had two knives I really loved but I was convinced were made with inferior steel because whatever I tried never gave me a satisfactory edge.  The Worksharp fixed that in about 3 minutes.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,028 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    Gene L said:
    I bought a Ken Onion Work Sharp today.  It was $129.00 on Amazon, but if I got an Amazon Credit card, I could get $100 off...so it cost me $35 with shipping.  Looking forward to using it.  I can sharpen pretty good, but it takes so much time.
    I thought I was pretty good with stones and ceramic rods so I resisted for a long time.  The Worksharp changed my mind.  I now know I suck at sharpening.

    It has never been so easy to put a razor edge on a blade before.  I still keep the super fine rods around for a quick touch up but for serious work you can’t beat the Worksharp.  

    I had two knives I really loved but I was convinced were made with inferior steel because whatever I tried never gave me a satisfactory edge.  The Worksharp fixed that in about 3 minutes.
    You just exactly described me. I could have written that same post. 

    I probably have almost $2K in stones and steels. I still use the steels for touchups, but I don't think I've touched a stone in well over a year.

    Mike




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  • GilaGila Posts: 1,828 Senior Member
    The great thing about the Onion is that once the edge is on the knife, resharpening only requires seconds as there is no need to change belts.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,028 Senior Member
    Gila said:
    The great thing about the Onion is that once the edge is on the knife, resharpening only requires seconds as there is no need to change belts.
    And keep your "worn out" belts. They make for great "intermediate" grit belts. For example, a worn out coarse belt is coarser than a medium, and a worn out fine belt becomes a polishing belt.

    One caveat.....discard any belt that you've worn or cut a hole into.

    FWIW.....once you've initially sharpened your stable of knives, chances are you'll be using only fine belts from that point forward unless you've really damaged a blade or bought a new blade that you want to change bevel.. I bought a variety pack from Amazon, but have used nothing but the fine belt.

    Belts last quite a while, so it's not like you'll be replacing them every time you turn around.

    Mike


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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,028 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Sharpening was my next question - and I've heard of the "worksharp". Thanx!
    Zorba,

    WorkSharp makes a few different sharpening systems. Be sure you get the Ken Onion edition.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,650 Senior Member
    edited November 2019 #26
    Just ordered the "onion edition" worksharp yesterday. From Amazon. Paid $20 more for it than Gene did... :#
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Jeff in TXJeff in TX Senior Member Posts: 2,054 Senior Member
    Bought a Henkel's set from Amazon a couple years back.  They've done really well at holding and edge.  A couple of them have lost their edge due to a lot a use.  With Thanksgiving upon us I just purchased a Wusthof Precision Edge 2-Stage  knife sharpener off of ebay for $20.00.  Has two slots one course one fine.  A few pulls through the course followed up with a few through the fine slot and they all shave hair off.  Simple and works great.  
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,768 Senior Member
    edited November 2019 #28
    Bought a Henkel's set from Amazon a couple years back.  They've done really well at holding and edge.  A couple of them have lost their edge due to a lot a use.  With Thanksgiving upon us I just purchased a Wusthof Precision Edge 2-Stage  knife sharpener off of ebay for $20.00.  Has two slots one course one fine.  A few pulls through the course followed up with a few through the fine slot and they all shave hair off.  Simple and works great.  
    Use the coarse side really sparingly, really only for seriously damaged or dull edges.  It has two tungsten blades that eat up a LOT of steel when you draw the knife through and sharply decrease the life of the blade.  

    If you buy a ceramic rod (just like a steel with a handle but it’s a thick ceramic rod) you accomplish the same thing as the coarse slot without wearing out the blade nearly as much.  

    On the other hand, that course side is a fast way of putting the right edge angle/geometry to a new blade that doesn’t seem to take an edge for you.  It quickly exposes new steel at the correct angle for kitchen knives which is a little shallower than the what you want on camp/hunting and other types of hard working blades.
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    Bought a Henkel's set from Amazon a couple years back.  They've done really well at holding and edge.  A couple of them have lost their edge due to a lot a use.  With Thanksgiving upon us I just purchased a Wusthof Precision Edge 2-Stage  knife sharpener off of ebay for $20.00.  Has two slots one course one fine.  A few pulls through the course followed up with a few through the fine slot and they all shave hair off.  Simple and works great.  
    I was looking at Henkel sharpeners.  There are so many listed, which one did you get?
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,028 Senior Member
    edited November 2019 #30
    zorba said:
    Just ordered the "onion edition" worksharp yesterday. From Amazon. Paid $20 more for it than Gene did... :#
    Good for you @zorba.  Glad you did it, and I'm sure you'll be well pleased with the results.That's still a great price.

    And once again.....check out Mercer Cutlery. You'll be pleased with them, too. Personally, I lean strongly toward the Genesis series, but all are waaay better than the price point would indicate.

    Mike


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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    Been thinking a while about getting one of the "Ken Onion" sharpeners but it seems there are 2 or 3 different styles one uses a 1" x 18" belts another 3/4" x 12" belts, which one are you guys using ?? 

    JAY
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