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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Between Ft Lauderdale and MiamiPosts: 12,556 Senior Member
    Just one line from the article   While exact details of the massacre have proved difficult to determine, it is believed there was a

    So no facts, sound familiar ?
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Ive read a bit about this tragedy. There was a series of misunderstandings and blunders on part of the soldiers and the indians. Poor leadership and placement of the guns, which were relatively new, caused freindly fire casualties among the soldiers. The whole situation could have been avoided. Paranoia, and ignorance, and too much fire power with too little thought and care.


    The kind of detailed investigation needed to gain clear perspective of each award would I think be prohibitive of any kind of proposed blanket award revocation. Its also easy to use the wrongful conduct of some to paint the conduct of all inaccurately. 

    Even the general information available to the amateur enthusiast historian is insufficiently detailed for blanket general pronouncements. Over simplification of complexed circumstance seems to be a common path of political patronage.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,281 Senior Member
    So her Native American heritage is now crying out for justice.....I see...
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    Just one line from the article   While exact details of the massacre have proved difficult to determine, it is believed there was a

    So no facts, sound familiar ?

    Far to familiar in our current politics.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Generals are the small fishies. Go to the top, as in the Great Emancipator and his mass hanging in Minnesota in 1862.


    300 Santee Sioux sentenced to hang in Minnesota

    In Minnesota, more than 300 Santee Sioux are found guilty of raping and murdering Anglo settlers and are sentenced to hang. A month later, President Abraham Lincoln commuted all but 39 of the death sentences. One of the Indians was granted a last-minute reprieve, but the other 38 were hanged simultaneously on December 26 in a bizarre mass execution witnessed by a large crowd of approving Minnesotans.

    The Santee Sioux were found guilty of joining in the so-called “Minnesota Uprising,” which was actually part of the wider Indian wars that plagued the West during the second half of the nineteenth century. For nearly half a century, Anglo settlers invaded the Santee Sioux territory in the beautiful Minnesota Valley, and government pressure gradually forced the Indians to relocate to smaller reservations along the Minnesota River.

    At the reservations, the Santee were badly mistreated by corrupt federal Indian agents and contractors; during July 1862, the agents pushed the Indians to the brink of starvation by refusing to distribute stores of food because they had not yet received their customary kickback payments. The contractors callously ignored the Santee’s pleas for help.

    Outraged and at the limits of their endurance, the Santee finally struck back, killing Anglo settlers and taking women as hostages. The initial efforts of the U.S. Army to stop the Santee warriors failed, and in a battle at Birch Coulee, Santee Sioux killed 13 American soldiers and wounded another 47 soldiers. However, on September 23, a force under the leadership of General Henry H. Sibley finally defeated the main body of Santee warriors at Wood Lake, recovering many of the hostages and forcing most of the Indians to surrender. The subsequent trials of the prisoners gave little attention to the injustices the Indians had suffered on the reservations and largely catered to the popular desire for revenge. However, President Lincoln’s commutation of the majority of the death sentences clearly reflected his understanding that the Minnesota Uprising had been rooted in a long history of Anglo abuse of the Santee Sioux.





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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    The whole picture of people and history is always more complexed than the myopic view.

  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,696 Senior Member
    edited November 2019 #8
    Well, the Medicare For All pitch doesn't seem to be working for her, so she might as well rail against the actions of people who have been mostly dead for a century in order to gain votes from the Social Justice Warriors.
    WWJMBD?

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,281 Senior Member
    edited November 2019 #9
    Add to that...the Medal of Honor was about the only medal they had to issue at the time...
    He'll, Billy Dixon got one following the Buffalo Wallow fight...
    Basically, if a soldier did something worth recognizing, he got the Medal of Honor
     
    It was the Army Commendation Medal of the period for all intents and purposes.


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