Meanwhile, in Virginia...

CaliFFL

It seems Virginia Democrats are passing the A-list gun control laws, including UBC's,  red flags, and black rifle bans. In response, 75 counties have declared themselves 2A Sanctuaries. No surprise there. 

The democrats have ratcheted up the threats, towards the citizens and the sheriff's. 
One mentioned calling on the National Guard to enforce the laws. 

This one is getting interesting. 

Virginia Democratic officials, however, already say local law enforcement supporting these resolutions will face consequences if they do not carry out any law the state Legislature passes.

“I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they're prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath,” Democratic Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly told the Washington Examiner of local county police who may refuse to enforce future gun control measures. “The law is the law. If that becomes the law, you don't have a choice, not if you're a sworn officer of the law.”

"Democratic Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin suggested cutting off state funds to counties that do not comply with any gun control measures that pass in Richmond.

“They certainly risk funding, because if the sheriff's department is not going to enforce the law, they're going to lose money. The counties' attorneys offices are not going to have the money to prosecute because their prosecutions are going to go down,” he said."

“And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,” he said. “That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control

zorba

And so it begins...

zorba

And so it begins...

JerryBobCo

goose, gander.  I guess it's ok to have sanctuary cities that don't enforce federal immigration laws, but not ok to ignore unconstitutional state laws.

tennmike

The National Guard, nationalized or not by the governor, swear an oath to the United States and the Constitution, are under the UCMJ, and are not required to follow orders that violate the oath to the Constitution and the United States. Gonna be some interesting fallout if the governor decides to go full third world dictator.

CaliFFL

I'm guessing quite a few of the Guardsmen are from the 75 aforementioned counties. I'm thinking the governor will be SHOCKED! when they refuse to obey.  

bullsi1911

This is going to get interesting, and possibly get sporty.  

BamaakII

Can they recall the gov in VA?

Diver43

Funny you don't see this in the mainstream media.  Once would think the Dems would be dancing in the streets.  Wonder why they are so quiet about it?

Jayhawker

Apparently, the Gov. didn't pay attention in U.S. History class...

zorba

I just looked it up - there are 95 counties in Virginia. That means 75 vs 20.

I think I'd tell that idiot, "Bring it on!".

Accipiter

zorba said:

I just looked it up - there are 95 counties in Virginia. That means 75 vs 20.

I think I'd tell that idiot, "Bring it on!".

That would mean the 75 counties need to get their act together and vote the idiots out of office.  Peaceful, legal solutions are alway better than the alternatives.

CaliFFL

Accipiter said:

zorba said:

I just looked it up - there are 95 counties in Virginia. That means 75 vs 20.

I think I'd tell that idiot, "Bring it on!".

That would mean the 75 counties need to get their act together and vote the idiots out of office.  Peaceful, legal solutions are always better than the alternatives.

This will be a peaceful solution. Democrats like to bluster and bluff (esp about gun control laws) but when the fan gets hit, they will blink. The Bundy ranch is a perfect example. There was no way Obama was gonna have a Waco chapter in his legacy. Hell, I think he feared the Bundy supporters would wipe the feds out. That would send a helluva message to the rest of us. 

And if I'm wrong, the stage will be set. A lot of our "what ifs?" will be answered. 

Like I said, gonna be interesting...

earlyagain

I think it may be a case of pandering rhetoric without true intent.

CaliFFL

earlyagain said:

I think it may be a case of pandering rhetoric without true intent.

If they are going to make threats, they need to at least follow-up. Can't have citizens and sheriffs disregarding laws they view as illegal of immoral. Overt non-compliance with progressive ideals should result in incarceration or execution. *sarc*

These laws haven't passed yet. You'd think 79% of the sheriffs/counties told them to FOAD they'd pull back. But, nope, they have the power and must exercise it. 

Accipiter

alphasigmookie said:

 Unlike the US constitution that gives outsized power to empty places, VA only gives power to people. 

I had a whole thing written up and before I hit post, I thought meh I really don’t care enough to expend the mental energy anymore.

CaliFFL

alphasigmookie said:

Accipiter said:

zorba said:

I just looked it up - there are 95 counties in Virginia. That means 75 vs 20.

I think I'd tell that idiot, "Bring it on!".

That would mean the 75 counties need to get their act together and vote the idiots out of office.  Peaceful, legal solutions are alway better than the alternatives.

It means that 75 counties are all but empty. VA mirrors the rest of the country. Most of the population and economic activity in a few specific areas and the rest basically empty. Unlike the US constitution that gives outsized power to empty places, VA only gives power to people. 

Ah, pure democracy...where nothing is out of bounds when 51% of the voters agree. 

zorba

alphasigmookie said:

It will be interesting to see how any of these new bills square with the state constitution and state supreme court.

That won't matter - California has been ignoring COTUS for decades now, "the rule of law" only suits tyrants when its laws THEY agree with and/or made.

CaliFFL

alphasigmookie said:

From the VA state constitution:

"That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

It will be interesting to see how any of these new bills square with the state constitution and state supreme court.

You are one of the few lefties I've ever engaged that thinks "shall not be infringed" means shall not be infringed. 

I've yet to see a single politician honor that restriction. Even Heller failed to address "shall not be infringed" and went with "subject to reasonable restrictions".  

My point is no one in any government in the US gives two **** about Constitutional restrictions. Maybe it's time the people remind the pols the 2A protects the citizens from them. 

zorba

This kind of nonsense shouldn't ever even see the light of day, much less have to be fought in the courts. Crazy - but I figured out a very long time ago that neither the gov't, nor anybody in it, nor anybody associated with it, cares one whit about people's rights, people's lives, people's livelihood, people's  money, nor people's freedoms.

Governments are evil - just flat out. Its the nature of the beast. Unfortunately, given humankind's current stage of evolution, governments are a "necessary evil" but should never be thought of as something good, because they're not. But they do need to be contained.

kansashunter

I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.

Linefinder

kansashunter said:

I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.

I've tried to explain that to my cat, but she's a Democrat and going to vote anyway.
Mike

sgtrock21

Quite disturbing for me. My maternal Grandfather was born in Virginia. I spent 2 months at Ft. Eustis for a military school. April and May 1991. I had my lunch paid for by civilians several times. The military was returning from Desert Storm. At that time Virginians I met were mostly conservative and pro 2A. It seems that has not appreciably changed. All National Guard members swore to Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all Enemies Foreign and Domestic!!!     

Varmintmist

Alph is correct if anyone likes it or not, his nomenclature is biased, but he is correct. States dont have a process in place to level the tyranny of the population centers that was put in place specifically to stop a few areas deciding everything for every part of the country. The population centers still have major sway and they have to be way out of touch with the rest of the country for it to matter, but it has become a more common thing as they have swung commie.

The 72 county's do have recourse and it has happened before in Virginia. They could petition to join West Virginia, the last group of counties that had a disagreement with the thinking of their elected officials showed them the way.

Bigslug

CaliFFL said:

earlyagain said:

I think it may be a case of pandering rhetoric without true intent.

If they are going to make threats, they need to at least follow-up. Can't have citizens and sheriffs disregarding laws they view as illegal of immoral. Overt non-compliance with progressive ideals should result in incarceration or execution. *sarc*

These laws haven't passed yet. You'd think 79% of the sheriffs/counties told them to FOAD they'd pull back. But, nope, they have the power and must exercise it. 

You mean the people that actually strap on a gun belt and Kevlar vest to go enforce the laws these idiots cook up might actually have some notion as to what might actually fly?  PERISH THE THOUGHT!! . . .

CaliFFL

alphasigmookie said:

kansashunter said:

I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.

You matter just as much as every individual person. You just dont matter more because you live in an area of low population density. 

And this is exactly why the electoral college was created and why states have the same amount of Senators and a ratio of reps. Everyone gets representation and are not simply ruled by urban centers with a hive mentality. 

Varmintmist is correct about the States lacking this or a similar system. I witnessed it first hand in Cali and now Washington. King county reps will pass a state tax that benefits the county (or Seattle) but none of the funding makes it across the Cascades. 

I disagree with Varmintmist's comment about petitioning for secession. I mean they can petition, but when has asking a tyrant ever worked? Release from tyranny is almost always paid in blood. Or the threat of blood.

Diver43

CaliFFL said:

alphasigmookie said:

kansashunter said:

I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.

You matter just as much as every individual person. You just dont matter more because you live in an area of low population density. 

And this is exactly why the electoral college was created and why states have the same amount of Senators and a ratio of reps. Everyone gets representation and are not simply ruled by urban centers with a hive mentality. 

Varmintmist is correct about the States lacking this or a similar system. I witnessed it first hand in Cali and now Washington. King county reps will pass a state tax that benefits the county (or Seattle) but none of the funding makes it across the Cascades. 

I disagree with Varmintmist's comment about petitioning for secession. I mean they can petition, but when has asking a tyrant ever worked? Release from tyranny is almost always paid in blood. Or the threat of blood.

Having lived in Washington many years ago, I find it difficult to understand how it turned so liberal. Virginia the same way. In the late 70s early 80s many if our states were very different places. They turned for the worse as liberal thinking and self entitlement grew 

CaliFFL

Virginia reps have introduced a bill that terminates the employment of any LEO who refuses to enforce their gun control schemes. Where's the "eating popcorn" emoji? 


https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67&fbclid=IwAR1jtZsPakbr8ciCvpUcGSDW1JWrfDJs4wI84QwKeJzAokxBl4LsF32FLc0

zorba

Since the LEOs work for their local administration, and not the state...

Accipiter

Certified by the state.  Pretty sure the state would be within rights.  It might be fun to see the result.  Or terrifying.  Not boring for sure.

tennmike

Varmintmist said:

Alph is correct if anyone likes it or not, his nomenclature is biased, but he is correct. States dont have a process in place to level the tyranny of the population centers that was put in place specifically to stop a few areas deciding everything for every part of the country. The population centers still have major sway and they have to be way out of touch with the rest of the country for it to matter, but it has become a more common thing as they have swung commie.

The 72 county's do have recourse and it has happened before in Virginia. They could petition to join West Virginia, the last group of counties that had a disagreement with the thinking of their elected officials showed them the way.

That dog don't hunt, and the forming of WV into a state was illegal on its face according to the Constitution, not that the Constitution meant a diddly damn to Lincoln.

https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/essays/125/new-states-clause

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1