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CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior MemberPosts: 5,486 Senior Member
edited December 2019 in Second Amendment/Politics #1
Just when I thought the lunacy had ended. 




Consuming the Confederacy

Beyond the scope of these national discussions, my research on Confederate myths and memory finds, many unexamined Confederate symbols have made their way into people’s kitchens, bedrooms and living rooms.

Take “Confederate cookbooks” that help modern-day chefs recreate the recipes of the Old South and stuffed animals based on Little Sorrel, the taxidermied war horse of Confederate General Stonewall Jackson, for example.

People probably don’t reflect on the horrors of slavery when baking an apple pie or purchasing a cuddly toy for their child. They aren’t meant to. But they are participating in that history and its mythologies nonetheless.

In that way, seemingly apolitical objects like cookbooks, toys and Christmas ornaments commemorating Confederate history serve to normalize the objects, rituals and stories surrounding the Confederacy.




https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/12/24/confederate-christmas-ornaments-are-smaller-than-statues-but-they-send-the-same-racist-message/
When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

Adam J. McCleod


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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    Just when I thought the lunacy had ended. 




    Consuming the Confederacy

    Beyond the scope of these national discussions, my research on Confederate myths and memory finds, many unexamined Confederate symbols have made their way into people’s kitchens, bedrooms and living rooms.

    Take “Confederate cookbooks” that help modern-day chefs recreate the recipes of the Old South and stuffed animals based on Little Sorrel, the taxidermied war horse of Confederate General Stonewall Jackson, for example.

    People probably don’t reflect on the horrors of slavery when baking an apple pie or purchasing a cuddly toy for their child. They aren’t meant to. But they are participating in that history and its mythologies nonetheless.

    In that way, seemingly apolitical objects like cookbooks, toys and Christmas ornaments commemorating Confederate history serve to normalize the objects, rituals and stories surrounding the Confederacy.




    https://www.virginiamercury.com/2019/12/24/confederate-christmas-ornaments-are-smaller-than-statues-but-they-send-the-same-racist-message/

    'And while these keepsakes may seem apolitical, their very circulation enables Confederate myths and symbols to become “normal” features of people’s daily lives. My research suggests they can thus desensitize Americans to the destructive nature of such stories and icons'.

    This statement confirms the 'Lunacy' for me. Terrible things were done by both sides (which is common in all civil wars). The symbols and artifacts should be on display reminding us forever not to repeat them.

  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    Having lived on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line (and west of it), I can assure you that without a doubt I'd rather have a Confederate cookbook than a Yankee one.

    I must be racist.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    Spreading like wildfire?

    Really?

    How did I miss that????
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    I've never understood why people are so obsessed with memorabilia from history's losers.
    Oh, come on now.... I'm pretty sure you have a "Hillary in 2016" bumper sticker stashed somewhere......

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    I've never understood why people are so obsessed with memorabilia from history's losers.
    The collectors or the lefties writing OpEds? 
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    32 years ago I quit drinking. Before that time, I did things that most folks don't brag or even talk about, including me. Irreguardless those experiences are part of who I am, and my son knows about many of them. The same can be said about history. What was remains unaltered by intentional ignorance, ridicule, glorification, opinion, embellishment, detraction or judgement. It belligerently defies the distortion of convenience.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Having lived on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line (and west of it), I can assure you that without a doubt I'd rather have a Confederate cookbook than a Yankee one.

    I must be racist.

    Mike
    I like me some Southern cooking too, but I doubt it has much to do with the Confederacy.

    To witness this phenomenon, I went to Amazon and searched the term "Confederate cookbook". Those are some slim pickings. I am not sure where the author is getting this from. It actually sounds like she is blowing it out her ass to generate some outrage. And yea... Alpha is probably right that it will get more views by those outraged by the outrage.

    This is outrageous!
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    A search for "little sorrel toy" doesn't come up with much either. A sorrel horse is just a chestnut colored horse and has very little to do with Stonewall Jackson unless you are going out of your way to be outraged over nothing.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    Well....I'm outraged. General Jackson was blown off his sorrel horse by one of his own men. That sorrel horse lost the war for my people, and I'm outraged every time I see one.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member

    Just saw this on Instagram. Found it hilarious in relation to this thread.
    And then the murders began.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,086 Senior Member
    I've never understood why people are so obsessed with memorabilia from history's losers.
    I know, right?


    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member

    Just saw this on Instagram. Found it hilarious in relation to this thread.
    Well he’s got half his Instagram user name right.  That’s a good way to kickstart your violent demise...
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,146 Senior Member
    I like pecan pie
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #16
    I've never understood why people are so obsessed with memorabilia from history's losers.
    I know, right?


    Except they won. Twice.
    The ONLY reason that “Dream Team” won, TWICE...



    I’m cheering for Bloomberg as an independent for 2020!!!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,045 Senior Member
    NN said:
    I like pecan pie
    Me too! Preferably frozen.
    EVERYTHING is "racist" according to the Left. The word has lost all meaning.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    People need to get better at telling the propigators of this nonsense to go pound sand...

    I can't do that on most sites. Between the auto censors and getting banned, it's a hard row to hoe.
    Anyway, only 3-5% of Southerners owned even ONE slave, and no one has given me an adequate explanation on why the other 95-97% of Southerners fought given that they didn't have a dog in the slavery fight thing.
    As to  the Confederate battle flag and union jack, many men, and young boys, rallied around that flag, went into battle under that flag, and were killed or maimed for life under it. The KKK marched under the U.S. flag for most of the KKK V1, and V2 period, and only coopted the battle flag for KKK V3 during the last iteration. Does that make the U.S. flag a racist symbol? Same rules should apply; look up the Clan Bake for one reference.
    And if all y'all what don't like the South retire, then retire to California; we don't want ya! :D:D:D 

    Look at my  avatar carefully. That flag might not be what you think. :D
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Since almost all the responses to these threads never indicate anything stronger than mild irritation. The editorials must be, for the most part, failing to instigate outrage.

    The real crime though, is the total absence of anything for dinner.......
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 895 Senior Member
    Yep, need a new one. I've got a suggestion. 


    Except they won also.
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #21
     alphasigmookie said:
    I've never understood why people are so obsessed with memorabilia from history's losers.

    Maybe you can explain the Left's obsession with the Indigenous, I mean history's losers. 


    Losing a war doesn't mean the cause wasn't righteous. 



    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Paul... time to take your medication. You posted in the wrong thread.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • GilaGila Posts: 1,908 Senior Member
    Rather refreshing...
    No good deed goes unpunished...
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    Paul... time to take your medication. You posted in the wrong thread.
    I beg your pardon. He gives meds.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Paul... time to take your medication. You posted in the wrong thread.
    I beg your pardon. He gives meds.

    Mike
    My bad.

    Paul... the meds are for the patients.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 895 Senior Member
    They say you should never self medicate.
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #27
    Accipiter said:
    They say you should never self medicate
    Well, just try asking your best friend to help you with the Prep H.


    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,408 Senior Member
    Interesting that we're having a discussion of "Confederate Cookbooks" and debating the notion of the Confederacy as "losers". . .

    . . .when one of the major reasons Lee's army surrendered is that they didn't have anything to cook.  Pretty sure they'd have used any actual cookbooks as kindling or toilet paper.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    General Lee's troops wanted to carry on a guerilla war instead of surrendering. All y'all should be glad Gen. Lee talked them out of that path; things would have got ugly quick and lasted for a long time. The recent examples of the Viet Nam war, and the 20 years and counting war in Afghanistan should not be overlooked as to how effective that tactic is.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Jayhawker said:
    People need to get better at telling the propigators of this nonsense to go pound sand...

    I can't do that on most sites. Between the auto censors and getting banned, it's a hard row to hoe.
    Anyway, only 3-5% of Southerners owned even ONE slave, and no one has given me an adequate explanation on why the other 95-97% of Southerners fought given that they didn't have a dog in the slavery fight thing.
    As to  the Confederate battle flag and union jack, many men, and young boys, rallied around that flag, went into battle under that flag, and were killed or maimed for life under it. The KKK marched under the U.S. flag for most of the KKK V1, and V2 period, and only coopted the battle flag for KKK V3 during the last iteration. Does that make the U.S. flag a racist symbol? Same rules should apply; look up the Clan Bake for one reference.
    And if all y'all what don't like the South retire, then retire to California; we don't want ya! :D:D:D 

    Look at my  avatar carefully. That flag might not be what you think. :D


    I know what your avatar is. The 3rd version of the actual flag of The Confederate States of America. #1 had 7 stars. #2 had 9 stars. Your avatar #3 had 11 stars.  #4 had 13 stars as more states seceded and joined. Yes. Very few Confederate soldiers owned slaves. I know my Great, Great Grandfather Tyree who had a small farm near Murfreesboro did not. I doubt he knew anyone who was a slave owner. He was a SGT in the Volunteer Army of Tennessee which was incorporated into the Confederate States Army. He was wounded at Atlanta, GA and recovered enough to die at Franklin, TN. These are his records I got online:  

    Apparently when I 'posted' this first half of my comment it didn't work any better than the second half which I PM'd to tennmike.       

  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member

    I will try one more time!

     Name: Tyree H. Coursey Rank: Sergeant Company: A, 24th Tennessee Infantry CSA Killed at Franklin on 11/30/1864, wounded at Atlanta July, 1864     24th Regiment, Tennessee Infantry Overview: 24th Infantry Regiment was assembled at Camp Trousdale, Sumner County, Tennessee, in August, 1861. Its companies were recruited in the following counties: Rutherford, Williamson, Macon, Sumner, DeKalb, Maury, Coffee, Hickman, and Wilson. After taking part in the conflicts in Shiloh and Perryville, the unit was attached to General Stewart's, Strahl's, and Palmer's Brigade, Army of Tennessee. It was active on many battlefields from Murfreesboro to Atlanta, returned to Tennessee with Hood, and saw action in North Carolina. This regiment took 406 effectives to Shiloh, had 68 disabled at Perryville, and lost twenty-three percent of the 344 at Murfreesboro. It reported 43 casualties at Chickamauga, 45 at Missionary Ridge, and totaled 257 men and 148 arms in December, 1863. Few surrendered in April, 1865. The field officers were Colonels Robert D. Allison, Hugh L.W. Bratton, and John A. Wilson; Lieutenant Colonels Thomas H. Peebles, Samuel E. Shannon, and John J. Williams; and Major William C. Fielding.  Family lore had my Great Grandfather William Jasper at age 14 driving his mother in a wagon to recover Tyree. Actually a neighbor with a wagon volunteered but at age 14 I'm guessing Jasper did his share of driving. Word of mouth family lore can be 100% true, mostly true, or complete fantasy. This one was mostly true. I'm fairly confident Tyree was buried on the farm. In November 2007 I had a 2 week military school at Redstone Arsenal Huntsville, AL. I had some time so I drove up to Murfreesboro to pay respect to Tyree. Of course I had no idea where the farm was but drove around and had lunch. Just being near where he lived was enough for me. I have visited every Southern state (mostly on military assignments) except South Carolina where the Civil War began. Visited many battlegrounds. CSA were not traitors or losers they fought for their way of life and were eventually overwhelmed by the population and industry of the North. Their major customer for cotton, England had planted their own cotton fields in Egypt. The "need" for slaves was going away. I have always enjoyed the South. Maybe because it is in my genes.  

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