Hitler and the Nazi ideology were very bad, no question. However, they're not the worst. Granted, its like trying to distinguish degrees of stink among a group of turds, but there are ideologies that are worse, and have killed more people, than the Nazis. Stalin and Mao both come to mind, there are others.
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You folks that think the war was about slavery need to read your history more in depth- as almost always- it was about money. One of the cries of the American Revolution was taxation without representation, yet there were many other issues that brought about the war. Lincolns illegal war almost started many years earlier with the tax of abomination and the secession of the South- which was staved off by President Andrew Jackson's deal to repeal the tax. Lincoln even said himself if he could save the union( which was crushing the South with taxes) without freeing a single slave he would. Did I say illegal? Yes I did- the right of secession was written into the constitution, and the secession of the southern states was legal. When South Carolina seceded- they did not join a coalition, they were a independent nation with their own flag. Slavery was a dying institution in America- without the war it would have died within 20 years, possibly 30, and it's continuation for that time would have caused far less harm to our nation than the war. Yes- slavery was an issue, both the slavery by chains of both blacks and whites, and the slavery of the South through intolerable taxes. The war ended the slavery of people, but perpetuated the slavery of the South for many decades.
You folks that think the war was about slavery need to read your history more in depth- as almost always- it was about money. One of the cries of the American Revolution was taxation without representation, yet there were many other issues that brought about the war.
Yea... you may want to re-read the letters of secession that the states wrote when they left the union. It was obviously about slavery. Granted, slaves were considered assets and were a big part of the economy, and therefore it was about money... but they were crystal clear it was about slavery.
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Don't cherry pick- in the letters of secession slavery was only 1 of the issues- I never said it wasn't, only that it was primarily money as always. Look up the taxation of the South starting with the tax of abomination. That's a pretty strong name for a tax.
And if Lincoln had been serious about eliminating slavery- why did the emancipation proclamation only free the slaves in the rebelling states?
We can refight this war for another 150 years,. One side won, sort of, and one side lost, sort of. The combined memories of both sides are the only real history of the event.
Mike
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Don't cherry pick- in the letters of secession slavery was only 1 of the issues- I never said it wasn't, only that it was primarily money as always. Look up the taxation of the South starting with the tax of abomination. That's a pretty strong name for a tax.
I completely agree with you that it was about money. Under the subject of money, slave holding interests were at the very top of that list. Everything else below that were minor in comparison.
Um fairly sure the right to secede was not in the constitution. Happy to be proven wrong. The original text has never been changed (only ammended) so happy be pointed to the specific section of the constitution that allows it.
I will agree that like almost all wars they're about money. The elite send the poor and working class to die to protect or expand their wealth.
As I said earlier... secession was not illegal at the start of the civil war...it was not declared unconstitutional until 1869...
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I'm sure there were many perfectly good and decent Germans who lost their lives fighting for their country in WWII too. Very few of the descendants seem to feel compelled to fill their homes with Nazi paraphernalia.
It is illegal to publicly display NAZI symbols in Germany.
The main ports of entry for slaves were in Rhode Island (Providence and Newport) and New York City. Yankee shippers ran the triangle trade; no Southern ships were involved as there weren't any. Wall Street in NYC was the main slave selling venue in NYC. I guess Alpha slept through that in history class.
The tariffs on foreign goods and machinery made them uneconomical for the South, so the South was forced to by low quality shoddy goods from Northern interests.
Lincoln sent in Federal troops in Maryland to shut down the legislature to keep them from having a secession vote; the act of a MILITARY DICTATOR at best, and the act of a despot. More history ignored.
Several states prior to the civil war at one time or another threatened to secede and it was deemed legal; odd in that they were NORTHERN states that threatened to do so.
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People need to get better at telling the propigators of this nonsense to go pound sand...
I can't do that on most sites. Between the auto censors and getting banned, it's a hard row to hoe.
Anyway, only 3-5% of Southerners owned even ONE slave, and no one has given me an adequate explanation on why the other 95-97% of Southerners fought given that they didn't have a dog in the slavery fight thing.
As to the Confederate battle flag and union jack, many men, and young boys, rallied around that flag, went into battle under that flag, and were killed or maimed for life under it. The KKK marched under the U.S. flag for most of the KKK V1, and V2 period, and only coopted the battle flag for KKK V3 during the last iteration. Does that make the U.S. flag a racist symbol? Same rules should apply; look up the Clan Bake for one reference.
And if all y'all what don't like the South retire, then retire to California; we don't want ya!
Look at my avatar carefully. That flag might not be what you think.
3-5% were slave owners, ok. But 100% of the state governments seceded to keep slavery, so...
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The CSA = Nazi?
Mike
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In the USA, you can not only own a CSA cannon but you can fire it off on the 4th of July.
There is an actual difference.
Mike
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ECHO...ECHO....echo...
Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!
Karma.........It’s a bitch.
Lincolns illegal war almost started many years earlier with the tax of abomination and the secession of the South- which was staved off by President Andrew Jackson's deal to repeal the tax.
Lincoln even said himself if he could save the union( which was crushing the South with taxes) without freeing a single slave he would.
Did I say illegal? Yes I did- the right of secession was written into the constitution, and the secession of the southern states was legal. When South Carolina seceded- they did not join a coalition, they were a independent nation with their own flag.
Slavery was a dying institution in America- without the war it would have died within 20 years, possibly 30, and it's continuation for that time would have caused far less harm to our nation than the war.
Yes- slavery was an issue, both the slavery by chains of both blacks and whites, and the slavery of the South through intolerable taxes. The war ended the slavery of people, but perpetuated the slavery of the South for many decades.
And if Lincoln had been serious about eliminating slavery- why did the emancipation proclamation only free the slaves in the rebelling states?
Mike
N454casull
Not whips, chains, collars, white hoods, jim crow signs, etc., and so forth.
Maybe these editorial columnists should stop interpreting symbols and focus their talents on political policy that fosters racial oppression???
secession was not illegal at the start of the civil war...it was not declared unconstitutional until 1869...
It is illegal to publicly display NAZI symbols in Germany.
― Douglas Adams