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JermanatorJermanator Senior MemberPosts: 16,127 Senior Member
Did the Fake News Media manufacture this crisis because impeachment of Trump failed?

Since the United States is a much larger country, is it only logical that they produce in the last month as many tests as tiny South Korea does in a day? Or is it incompetence, negligence, or dysfunction... or a combination of all three? Is it Obama's fault?

Does an anonymous source automatically mean that the information is false and should be disregarded? Is it Fake News?

Please discuss.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
-Thomas Paine
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  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 884 Senior Member

    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,182 Senior Member
    There are few "news articles" that I don't view with a jaundiced eye at first glance...and in this day and age any "anonymous source" should be viewed with skepticism. 
    All to often, people who provide information "anonymously" have some kind of agenda , personal, political, etc....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 5,945 Senior Member
    edited March 15 #4
    I don't think the source of covid 19 is conspiratorial. I think its a mutation of a type of viral infection thats become predominant in modern times. And that places of dense population are highly susceptible. Human population and agriculture will see this type of periodical intensity as part of normal life in the foreseeable future.

    News articles with unconfirmed sources are inconclusive. Individuals remain free to make their own judgements, and speak their own opinions within certain context. Pointing out potential flaws in the credibility of news or news sources is not only wise, but may even be a form of civic responsibility. Debating such credibility should also be a part of any complete discussion that encompasses information in question.

    IMO.
    Tests should have been circulated in a viable prescribed method of availability to the entire American population by now. Anything short of that in my view is a failure of our health care system and the CDC. I see it as a failure with subsequent oppertunity for correction. Correction that the future will certainly be in need of.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    Reuters confirmed with the German Health Ministry that the United States tried to poach that company and they were making efforts to retain it. What is up for speculation is the reason is for the exclusive use of Americans (but that doesn't make sense-- I can see where he would want it for Americans first, then the rest of the world later, but not completely exclusive).
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,483 Senior Member
    Not a conspiracy, IMO, but governments are taking advantage of the situation to exert control of their populations. And the media just laps it up and spews it out. 

    The article below appeared in one of my feeds this morning. The last line is what concerns me most. Gov't can apply this to almost everything. 


    Strangely, it’s also a moment in which our usual individualistic, self-centered outlook is waning a bit. In the end, each of us is giving up our individual freedom in order to protect everybody, especially the sick and the elderly. When everybody’s health is at stake, true freedom is to follow instructions.

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-cautionary-tale-italy-dont-do-what-we-did/?fbclid=IwAR18sTmhTJ3D09O-z42HABshIooT7ru5yB5k8lqukSFkcqB0VTEEvI-Frks


    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 5,945 Senior Member
    The DW news didn't mention anything about the alleged vaccine highjack thismorning. Not saying the story isn't true, but confirmation or discredit may be beyond reach for now.

    There's no doubt individual freedom is being trampled. I don't see it as its own pandemic yet, but historically, those of illicit intent haven't hesitated to use crisis as a catalyst for draconian policy.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,130 Senior Member
    edited March 15 #8
    Did the Fake News Media manufacture this crisis because impeachment of Trump failed?

    NO
    But the democratic party finds fault with everything Trump has attempted to do

    Since the United States is a much larger country, is it only logical that they produce in the last month as many tests as tiny South Korea does in a day? Or is it incompetence, negligence, or dysfunction... or a combination of all three? Is it Obama's fault?

    Where are the tests produced?

    Does an anonymous source automatically mean that the information is false and should be disregarded? Is it Fake News?

    Pretty much, I trust nothing said that someone does  not own

    Please discuss.

    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,483 Senior Member



    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    Wow!
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,130 Senior Member
    Why Wow?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 884 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:



    Damn! 
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    People gathering socially. Infecting each other and stuff.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,130 Senior Member
    People just do not get it.  If we are cautious we as a whole will get through it. If people dont and pass it around it will go on and on.
    Our weekend consisted of getting a few things at the store then home. Wash and stay home. Today we went to a park on the intercoastal. Had a cigar and a snack staying away from people. Now hone and washed and we are in.  Read somewhere this virus does not like sunlight so being outside and away from people is good I guess
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    You can catch some crazy stuff in an Ohio bar if you aren't careful!
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 884 Senior Member
    You can catch some crazy stuff in an Ohio bar if you aren't careful!
    I have.  




    Wait what?
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,483 Senior Member
    edited March 15 #17
    Diver43 said:
    People just do not get it.  If we are cautious we as a whole will get through it. If people dont and pass it around it will go on and on.
    Our weekend consisted of getting a few things at the store then home. Wash and stay home. Today we went to a park on the intercoastal. Had a cigar and a snack staying away from people. Now hone and washed and we are in.  Read somewhere this virus does not like sunlight so being outside and away from people is good I guess

    I get people being cautious, but executives arbitrarily picking what businesses can remain open? Where is the line? Serious question...

    IMO, trucking is a bigger threat for spreading a virus nation wide. 

    Edit: I'm curious how closing churches would be received. 
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    edited March 15 #18
    The deal is that they can easily close down bars and restaurants under the health code. They could do the same thing with grocery stores, but that would be very very stupid. Shutting down a construction or trucking company under the premise of a health emergency would be a whole lot harder to justify.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,182 Senior Member
    Some of the casinos here in MI are reducing operations...no table games, bingo and the like..

    Judging by some of the comments to the announcement, Some die-hard gamblers are losing their ****.
    .
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,130 Senior Member
    ^^^ Yea but one Sick truck driver dropping off loads across the country....... infecting people at each stops
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,182 Senior Member
    I believe Tom Clancy wrote about this exact scenario...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,483 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    Some of the casinos here in MI are reducing operations...no table games, bingo and the like..

    Judging by some of the comments to the announcement, Some die-hard gamblers are losing their ****.
    .

    Voluntarily reductions? I'm guessing the state has little power over the reservations. 
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,483 Senior Member
    The deal is that they can easily close down bars and restaurants under the health code. They could do the same thing with grocery stores, but that would be very very stupid. Shutting down a construction or trucking company under the premise of a health emergency would be a whole lot harder to justify.
    They shut down schools and all gatherings larger than 250 as a health emergency. Again, I use the word "arbitrarily". 
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    ^^^ Yea but one Sick truck driver dropping off loads across the country....... infecting people at each stops
    It is already too late for that. This is just about everywhere now. We just don't have test results to show it because we have no tests.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 5,945 Senior Member
    Europe is getting hit hard and implementing serious restrictions. 

    Serious restrictions and serious sacrifice was asked of American citizens circa 1941 - 1946.. That could possibly be a lense into the near future.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,024 Senior Member
    You can catch some crazy stuff in an Ohio bar if you aren't careful!
    If you spend time in a bar in Ohio..... You are immune to C-19
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,182 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    Jayhawker said:
    Some of the casinos here in MI are reducing operations...no table games, bingo and the like..

    Judging by some of the comments to the announcement, Some die-hard gamblers are losing their ****.
    .

    Voluntarily reductions? I'm guessing the state has little power over the reservations. 
    The announcements I have seen were sent out by the tribal entities....they are creating more space between tables in the restaurants and are only keeping slot machines open. Casino hotels are being closed as well...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,024 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    ^^^ Yea but one Sick truck driver dropping off loads across the country....... infecting people at each stops
    You won't be able to stop it dead. BCS you slow it down enough for the hospitals to have enough resources to treat the worst cases
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    I think a casino would be the last place I would want to be right now. Or an Ohio bar.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,024 Senior Member
    edited March 16 #30
    If they can't crank out 250,000 test kits, they surely aren't going to be able to crank out 250,000 extra ventilators
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,873 Senior Member
    edited March 15 #31

    I think this notion that government suddenly is supposed to have their poop in a group and operate effectively and efficiently is particularly laughable when we have over 200 years showing us the contrary.

    And I think we're about to see Biden and Sanders armchair-quarterbacking the entire crisis in tonight's debate.  I expect to see Bernie pitch how total government control would be a WONDERFUL thing at a time like this, and Biden to float a sugar-coated version of the exact same thing.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
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