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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    For defensive use, I'd try to find a box of the 38 HST and call it good.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,434 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    I have thought about taking the easy route and just buying a box of defensive ammo. Not like I’ll be shooting a lot of it through the gun.
    You’ve never been a fan of .38 spl as a defensive round.  With all your current options this gun is probably more of a carry to the mailbox once in a while option.  How much effort do you want to put into load development?
    Diver43 said:
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    I have thought about taking the easy route and just buying a box of defensive ammo. Not like I’ll be shooting a lot of it through the gun.
    You’ve never been a fan of .38 spl as a defensive round.  With all your current options this gun is probably more of a carry to the mailbox once in a while option.  How much effort do you want to put into load development?
    It's all about science and science is fun
    He does need a reliable pig killing round for it. :)
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,322 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 said:
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    I have thought about taking the easy route and just buying a box of defensive ammo. Not like I’ll be shooting a lot of it through the gun.
    You’ve never been a fan of .38 spl as a defensive round.  With all your current options this gun is probably more of a carry to the mailbox once in a while option.  How much effort do you want to put into load development?
    Diver43 said:
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    I have thought about taking the easy route and just buying a box of defensive ammo. Not like I’ll be shooting a lot of it through the gun.
    You’ve never been a fan of .38 spl as a defensive round.  With all your current options this gun is probably more of a carry to the mailbox once in a while option.  How much effort do you want to put into load development?
    It's all about science and science is fun
    He does need a reliable pig killing round for it. :)
    I think our buddy has enough science experiments staked up to last him a lifetime.  :D
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    CHIRO1989 said:
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    I have thought about taking the easy route and just buying a box of defensive ammo. Not like I’ll be shooting a lot of it through the gun.
    You’ve never been a fan of .38 spl as a defensive round.  With all your current options this gun is probably more of a carry to the mailbox once in a while option.  How much effort do you want to put into load development?
    Diver43 said:
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    I have thought about taking the easy route and just buying a box of defensive ammo. Not like I’ll be shooting a lot of it through the gun.
    You’ve never been a fan of .38 spl as a defensive round.  With all your current options this gun is probably more of a carry to the mailbox once in a while option.  How much effort do you want to put into load development?
    It's all about science and science is fun
    He does need a reliable pig killing round for it. :)
    I think our buddy has enough science experiments staked up to last him a lifetime.  :D
    We’re gonna need a bigger pig trap. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 2,071 Senior Member
    Show of hands, who has ever seen Zee take the easy route?
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    Show of hands, who has ever seen Zee take the easy route?
    Truth. 
    I just pursued Midway for .38 Spl ammunition choices. Don’t really like the choices. I can’t use +p and all the not + p ammo pretty much sucks. 

    Probably load my own. 😒
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    Thats the kind of can do spirit that built a nation......
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,426 Senior Member
    I have debated trying to work up a load for .38 and I was looking at trying some 110gr XTP bullets.  I figured that probably had the best chance at being pushed fast enough to expand.  The other option is to load it with a wide flat nosed cast bullet.
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,322 Senior Member
    edited May 21 #40
    Zee said:
    Show of hands, who has ever seen Zee take the easy route?
    Truth. 
    I just pursued Midway for .38 Spl ammunition choices. Don’t really like the choices. I can’t use +p and all the not + p ammo pretty much sucks. 

    Probably load my own. 😒
    Is the gun specifically NOT rated for +p?  Here's an interesting article by our own Don Johnson on +P ammo.  I remember we had a thread here about it before we lost all the old content, and he was quite adamant that any modern handgun can handle a reasonable amount of +P.

    https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/ammunition_demystplusp_0306-7/138860

    Not trying to push you either way.  Just adding another dimension to the discussion for educational purposes.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,681 Senior Member
    Gosh published almost 20 years ago and still makes sense
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    Everything I’ve read on the Rossi is that they are not rated or recommended for +p ammo. 

    As to every modern gun being rated. Yeah, that’s what I thought. So I ignored the recommendations and fired a cylinder through my then S&W 442 Airweight. 
    5 rounds......cool no problem. Reloaded and it was either the 6th or 7th that totally locked my gun up. Had to take it to a gunsmith to get the cylinder to unfreeze and open. 

    So, we have theory and reality. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 2,071 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    I have debated trying to work up a load for .38 and I was looking at trying some 110gr XTP bullets.  I figured that probably had the best chance at being pushed fast enough to expand.  The other option is to load it with a wide flat nosed cast bullet.
    Now you can just sit back and watch Zee go to work and copy his end result.  ;)
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,322 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Everything I’ve read on the Rossi is that they are not rated or recommended for +p ammo. 

    As to every modern gun being rated. Yeah, that’s what I thought. So I ignored the recommendations and fired a cylinder through my then S&W 442 Airweight. 
    5 rounds......cool no problem. Reloaded and it was either the 6th or 7th that totally locked my gun up. Had to take it to a gunsmith to get the cylinder to unfreeze and open. 

    So, we have theory and reality. 
    Damn!!!!! 😬

    I do occasionally run a cylinder of +P through my model 60 and 36 because that’s what I carry when I CC them.  I do 99% of my shooting with cheap 130gr bulk FMJs.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,426 Senior Member


    Now you can just sit back and watch Zee go to work and copy his end result.  ;)

    If need be, I am sure that I have some that can be donated for science.  I was going to work up a paper load, but I do not have the ability to conduct the science that needs conducted.  Also, the range I shoot handgun at is still closed down due to state restrictions.

    All that being said, if a "sample" pack would be useful for the science tests I am more than willing to provide it.  I may even have some 125gr as well.
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,811 Senior Member
    edited May 21 #46
    mitdr774 said:
    I have debated trying to work up a load for .38 and I was looking at trying some 110gr XTP bullets.  I figured that probably had the best chance at being pushed fast enough to expand.  The other option is to load it with a wide flat nosed cast bullet.
    https://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=325

    Might lose a little in the speed department compared to a 110.  But with that big hole in the front and the fact they say it'll expand at 38 velocities, I'd be curious... I don't have a short barreled 38, so no real interest other than curiosity.  Could make a decent truck gun load for my dad and his GP100, I guess....

    I'd like to see a bullet like that in the 125 grain range... 
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,426 Senior Member
    That just might be something to try out.  Thank you for the suggestion.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    The parts inside that rotate the cylinder and hold its barrel alignment are subjected to flex during ignition. These can wind up being the weak link. 
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,026 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Show of hands, who has ever seen Zee take the easy route?
    Truth. 
    I just pursued Midway for .38 Spl ammunition choices. Don’t really like the choices. I can’t use +p and all the not + p ammo pretty much sucks. 

    Probably load my own. 😒
    I had high hopes for the Hornady load, and was severely disappointed out of a 4” 

    https://forums.gunsandammo.com/discussion/40126/more-gel-tests#latest
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    Jay said:
    mitdr774 said:
    I have debated trying to work up a load for .38 and I was looking at trying some 110gr XTP bullets.  I figured that probably had the best chance at being pushed fast enough to expand.  The other option is to load it with a wide flat nosed cast bullet.
    https://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=325

    Might lose a little in the speed department compared to a 110.  But with that big hole in the front and the fact they say it'll expand at 38 velocities, I'd be curious... I don't have a short barreled 38, so no real interest other than curiosity.  Could make a decent truck gun load for my dad and his GP100, I guess....

    I'd like to see a bullet like that in the 125 grain range... 
    I’m gonna try my HBWC reversed at .38 Spl velocities first. If they perform poorly, I’m gonna try those you linked next. 👍🏻
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    The parts inside that rotate the cylinder and hold its barrel alignment are subjected to flex during ignition. These can wind up being the weak link. 
    Yeah, I didn’t ask the GS what was wrong, back then I was too ignorant to know.   But, something locked up and I couldn’t shoot or open the cylinder. These days, I know it could have been a pulled bullet or the mechanism itself. Either way.......my gun was a dead stick. 

    BTW: I was using Georgia Arms +p ammo. Don’t remember the weight. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Show of hands, who has ever seen Zee take the easy route?
    Truth. 
    I just pursued Midway for .38 Spl ammunition choices. Don’t really like the choices. I can’t use +p and all the not + p ammo pretty much sucks. 

    Probably load my own. 😒
    I had high hopes for the Hornady load, and was severely disappointed out of a 4” 

    https://forums.gunsandammo.com/discussion/40126/more-gel-tests#latest
    Which is why I’ve avoided the XTP in my .38 Spl choices. 👍🏻
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,811 Senior Member
    Your reversed HBWC loads are what got me to thinking and searching. Which is how I came across the bullet I linked to. My initial thought was, what if they have a lighter HBWC? Which, they don’t. I couldn’t recall if you’d shot your previous load in a 38 chamber and wonder if those heavier HBWC bullets can be seated long enough to allow enough powder for velocity but still fit in a 38 chamber rather than 357 chamber. Be cool to see what you’re able to come up with. 👍
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    I used .357 Mag brass on the reversed test. So yes, it will be interesting to see if the same can be done in the .38 Spl case or if a switch to tour linked Bullet would be necessary. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    I caved. I just ordered 200 of these. 

    Science!!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    Gonna figure a way to make them work. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 3,831 Senior Member
    I'll be interested in your results. those might be a good choice for the 4" model 10 I gave one of my daughters for her camp gun. it has always shot well with a 125gr cast RN for plinking and the 125gr Win Silvertip for camp.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,588 Senior Member
    Bunch’a enablers. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,425 Senior Member
    Sentimental purchases are special.  Good for you, and thanks for sharing the memories.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • tinytanktinytank Posts: 8 New Member
    These guns always remind me of a little southern shoot-out like in those old films haha. My mate gifted a Taurus 650 to me a couple years back. Never got around to testing it out. This post just reminded me to!
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