I need some learnin.

Justsomedude

I've stated before that I wasn't the greatest student in civics class, not to mention how dang long ago that was. I watched the POTUS speech earlier and never heard of the insurrection act. I'm just curious what it entails besides the military putting a stop to all this madness. Would it deny anyone thats arrested their due process? Would they then have tribunals? How's this work? I honestly have no idea. Are rights suspended, etc...? 

DrawbarFlats

While I usually support President Trump on most domestic matters, I do not support him using active military on our own soil. This is a very dangerous game he's playing and the unintended consequences will be felt for decades. It's also worth mentioning that if and when the democrats take back control in the executive and legislative branches, they will no doubt reciprocate using martial law and the military for 2A protests. President Trump has a decision to make. Does he let the "Dice fly high and cross the Rubicon" or does he sit back and let the states deal with this crisis. I personally think that the overlords who are controlling agitators, such as Antifa and other radical communist groups, are hoping for this. Trump, in my opinion, is being manipulated into doing exactly what they want him to do.


Edit: Also, who's to say that the military wouldn't use this opportunity to coup against the President and the Constitution? Contrary to some beliefs, many military members and certain commanders aren't all conservative/constitutional leaning. 

earlyagain

Its more divisional rhetoric to fire up his base.

Regardless of legality or historical precedent. It had better have majority popular support where used or it will be a political land mine for Trump and the Republican party.

Diver43

Does anyone not think that the riots are not part of a political movement?

earlyagain

The people I saw running out Auto Zone with handfuls of spark plugs and wiper blades didn't say..........

tennmike

The state National Guard units could put a stop to the rioting and looting IF they were allowed to do so. Weak kneed  governors aren't using them, though. The National Guard is the correct force to use in what is happening now. The U.S. military should ONLY be used during a near nationwide insurrection, and to properly use them then declaring martial law in those areas affected would be the only way to make it pass muster, and they should be used only to augment the National Guard in making arrests unless a shooting war starts with the NG. 
Anyway, there's a training thing that separates the NG and the U.S. military regarding civil unrest. The NG trains a lot for that situation, or at least they did when I was in the TN NG. The U.S Army military police train some for that, but use different tactics.

Spk

The way I read the act, the military can be granted police powers to affect arrests and help restore order. Basically, at the request of the governor who's state is being affected and can't bring things under control, he can call on the President to intervene on the state's behalf. There's a number of exclusions and fine points but then the President would have to release a proclamation to the crowd to disperse. If they fail to heed the warning, the newly "deputized" military members would then begin arresting people. Those arrested would have (in theory) the same rights as someone arrested by civilian law enforcement, in theory! The federal government could tack on additional charges and the whole thing could get messy not to mention using active duty military untrained in state or local police procedures.

Let's hope we don't go down that road. Anyway, they're more to the story of the Insurrection Act of 1807. It's been amended twice and goes hand in hand with the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. Lots to read about if you have time.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/i/Insurrection-act/

https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/posse-comitatus-act/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807

Let's not go down that road, but it has been used before. I believe most recently during the L.A. riots of 1992 when then Governor Pete Wilson called for help.

U.S. Marines in Compton CA 1992.

sgtrock21

Posse Comitatus applies to Title 10 active duty Air Force and Army. Navy and Marines are exempt. While doing research I ran across a somewhat amusing report of Marines in 1992 Los Angeles. A USMC squad was supporting local Law Enforcement Officers. Two looters ran into a house. The LEOs shouted "Cover us we're going in"! In the few seconds required to achieve a cease fire the house had more than 200 bullet holes in it! The looters crawled out on hands and knees with fingers interlocked behind their necks. Apparently Marines "cover" with fire.    

Jayhawker

Just doing what they were told!

Spk

Different training and different lingo. Marines do cover with live fire, as in, mask my activities with a distracting hail of lead. That's what the M249 SAW is for 👍

earlyagain

The PD here is making changes. It looks to me like they're just piling extra crap on the officers trying to do the job on the street. Rather than making administrators accountable for efficient policies. 

Six-Gun

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/07/minneapolis-votes-to-disband-police-department/#1932d5095274

Minneapolis PD disbandment vote passes and the Mayor cannot veto it.

CHIRO1989

Wow, I feel bad for the citizens of Mpls, the Hennepin Co. Sherriffs office, and anybody that owns a business in Mpls. Me and the wife cannot shake the feeling we are getting played folks.

rberglof

In California where we lived did not have city police for years, the Kern county sheriff took care of it.

earlyagain

The disbanding and defunding of city PDs could possibly invite their replacement with private security. Paid for with public tax revenue. I would guess a potential for many problems  to follow that. Aside from the problems that come from the interm absence of police.

A restructuring of department administration would have been better. 

tennmike

Six-Gun said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/07/minneapolis-votes-to-disband-police-department/#1932d5095274

Minneapolis PD disbandment vote passes and the Mayor cannot veto it.

CHIRO1989 said:

Wow, I feel bad for the citizens of Mpls, the Hennepin Co. Sherriffs office, and anybody that owns a business in Mpls. Me and the wife cannot shake the feeling we are getting played folks.

Disbanding the Mpls PD will require the Hennepin Co. Sheriff's office to hire on more deputies to police Minneapolis. Now I wonder where that pool of new Deputy Sheriffs will come from???? Think they might be mostly from the Minneapolis PD??? Moving what is perceived as a problem from one box to another box won't solve anything. And the city will still have to pay the county for all those new Deputies to police their streets.  Sounds like the Minneapolis City Council is mentally deficient and morally bankrupt.