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ojrojr Senior MemberPosts: 1,071 Senior Member
edited June 14 in General Firearms #1
I have a question or two for the panel
I'm in a position to buy 1 or two of these
I haven't got pictures  to show you but have seen the rifles .

The full length Carl Gustav 1896 is a 1916 Mauser 6.5x55, is used with a good bore
The shorter 6.5x55 1902  is hardly used , excellent bore.
The other is a Model 1903 Springfield in 30 06 Remington stamp made early 1942.
bore.. lets say has been used.
There is also a mosin nagant 91/30 with grease still in the barrel, it doesn't really catch my eye but.... 

All numbers match on all rifles.
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  • Some_MookSome_Mook Posts: 304 Member
    I wouldn't get too worked up about all matching numbers on the Mosin unless it has a pre-war stock and the numbers are all identical in font and spacing.  Arsenal refurb mosins will all have numbers force matched. The only numbers that won't match are the bayonets.   Might want to check over at gunboards.com on the mausers, stamping dies are being sold that make it easy to fake match numbers to sell to the unwary for excessive prices.  I'm sure you'll find knowledge on the '03 there as well.
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  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    If you can get two, my choice would be the Mauser and the Springfield. I had a Mosin and could not stand the thing!!
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,629 Senior Member
    edited June 14 #4
    Definitely check on gunboards.  It would be extraordinary if the Mosin hadn't been arsenal rebuilt.  I don't know if they re-numbered and penciled in the numbers, don't think they did on rifles, but I don't know.  They did on Russian Capture K98k (RC). Also, the Finnish 91s are very collectible, so I'd check to see if it's got Finnish marks on it.  Accurate rifles.

    Me, I'd go for the Swede. Second would be the Mosin.
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,430 Senior Member
    Who made the Moisin? If it is Finnish buy it, it won't be stamped 91/30 IIRC, 91/24 instead or then M-something 
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 522 Senior Member
    The 1902 would be my top pick
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,629 Senior Member
    If it's Finnish, it'll have SA enclosed in a rectangle on the action.  The Finns captured or bought all their actions from Russia and rebarreled and reworked and restamped them.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,152 Senior Member
    Buy the Swede and the 03-A3.  Rebarrel the 03-A3 with an original GI or a Centurion re-pop.

    A Mosin is historically significant, but it kinda stands out as a model for how not to build a bolt action.  The Finn M39's are indeed shooters, but it does not sound like that's what you have.
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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,426 Senior Member
    Check any of them well.  My 1905 M96 is mostly numbers matching and it does not appear to have ever had the metal refinished.

    The short 1902 M96 is probably a M96/38 and doubtful it is a true numbers matching gun.  My understanding is that until the M38 version of the M96 came out they all had a 29" barrel.  A lot were converted to M96/38 and had the shorter barrel after the conversion.  Doubtful they kept all the parts together during the conversion process.

    If it was me it would be the two Swedes.  If that wasnt an option then it would be the 1916 and the '03.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,152 Senior Member
    Is the shorter Swede by chance a '94 carbine?  That's a must-seize.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,629 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Buy the Swede and the 03-A3.  Rebarrel the 03-A3 with an original GI or a Centurion re-pop.

    A Mosin is historically significant, but it kinda stands out as a model for how not to build a bolt action.  The Finn M39's are indeed shooters, but it does not sound like that's what you have.
    Mosins are kinda like High Points.  They're ugly, cheap, not the best design, but they work and are accurate enough.  And were cheap to build, which was important in Russia and in the USSR. Nothing spells success like longevity, and Mosins got them through WW 2 pretty well, on up until the early 50s. There is simply no way you can make them pretty, unlike the 98K. In 9-Hole Reviews, they tested them to 500 yards, and they hit the targets about as well as any other military rifle.  Unlike the Mauser, no one ever copied the Mosin design except Commie countries.  The Finns made them a lot better, but they just improved on the already existing design.  Come to think of it, that's what the 1903 did.

    I don't have one currently and won't but they're serviceable rifles, and accurate enough.  Just ugly. And loose.
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  • ojrojr Senior Member Posts: 1,071 Senior Member
    edited June 15 #12
    Thanks all, I'll check these out again and see if I can get some answers to the above questions
    Must admit the Short 1902 6.5 is my current favourite.
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  • waipapa13waipapa13 Senior Member Posts: 829 Senior Member
    edited June 15 #13
    FWIW Gun City used to sell Mosins for $249 in the grease with two boxes of Barnaul ammo, not a rarity by any means, but they are surprisingly accurate and just really fun to tutu with.

    If the Swede Mauser is a '94 Carbine then I'd jump all over it.
    On the other hand as you know a 1903 is not exactly common here, be pretty cool to have one....
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,288 Senior Member
    Is the bore on the 03 rough, or the rifle just looks rough overall? Is it a 03 or a o3a3, or a 03 with 03a3 stamped magazine and trigger guard and rough stock? Assuming they are not drilled and bubba'd.... If the first, unless you want to rebuild or take the chance.. I have a original 03 from 1933 that doesnt have rifling at the end of the bore. I used it for turkey shoots. It doesnt care that it has muzzle erosion. Rough overall, very possibly a ww2 rework. A stock that looks like it came from a 4x4 hacked out with a hatchet is not uncommon. If it is a older action (30's) with stamped metal and a 43-44 bbl date, then it is a ww3 rework. If it is an 03, then it is correct with a rough stock and stamped metal.

    Unless the 03 was used as a jack handle, my pick would be 03, 6.5, mosin.
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,287 Senior Member
    So what did you get?!?!?!?!?!?!  :D
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,204 Senior Member
    If he doesn't get all three, revoke the man card. We didn't raise him right. 
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,010 Senior Member
    get the get them all!!
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  • ojrojr Senior Member Posts: 1,071 Senior Member
    I'm going to post some photos at the weekend
    Thanks for the interest.
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,287 Senior Member
    Thanks for sharing!
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  • ojrojr Senior Member Posts: 1,071 Senior Member
     Check New thread
    "Rifles now with pic's"
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