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centermass556centermass556 Senior MemberPosts: 3,534 Senior Member
Not that I told you this was going to happen, it's bigger than that. You need to realize it is happening - it's been happening, it still is happening. right now, as I type this...Take a look at a few open source articles that some how got zero attention.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/25/texas-chinese-wind-farm-national-security-espionage-electrical-grid/

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2020/04/17/chinese-investors-seek-forced-bankruptcy-of-north-texas-developments/

foxbusiness.com/markets/texas-oil-rich-lands-chinese-takeover-weakened-crude-producers

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/15/china-is-bargain-hunting-and-western-security-is-at-risk/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brendanahern/2020/03/13/china-market-update-chinese-investors-buy-stocks-while-foreigners-flee/#6537893b7b03



Some of the open source articles go back as far as 2015. 

Here is the alarming thing. China uses land buys to gain increasing footholds. They also like to buy land within close proximity to US bases. They recently snatched up close to 150K of acres near the Air Force flight school. 


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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,367 Senior Member
    Foriegn investors are also draing part of the Ogolalla Aquafer. I can't remember the country of origin. I want to say Chinese, but I can't remember for sure, and trying to confirm online became intolerable.....

    Politicians, capitolists, etcetera all sell to the highest bidder. For me its not a question of "if." Its a question of the degree of alarm?  Im reluctant to cry fire. Maybe to a fault? Maybe not....



  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 4,367 Senior Member
    China bought Smithfield, the #1 USA producer of pakaged meats in 2013.  From their website...

    Smithfield Foods is a U.S. company that provides more than 40,000 American jobs and partners with thousands of American farmers. The company was founded in Smithfield, Virginia, in 1936 and was acquired by Hong Kong-based WH Group in 2013. 

    Just sayin’...
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 178 Member


    Glad I stocked up for the lockdown.


  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    AlleyCat said:


    Glad I stocked up for the lockdown.



    Obviously you have never heard of Neville Chamberlain..
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    He had his head in the sand before WW2 and made fun of the “conspiracy theories” against Hitler and Nazi Germany...right before they invaded Poland. 
  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 178 Member
    2Aman said:
    He had his head in the sand before WW2 and made fun of the “conspiracy theories” against Hitler and Nazi Germany...right before they invaded Poland. 


     

    Do you have a link or an online paper of your post content.

    I could only find this in Wikipedia about Chamberlain actions.

    In the aftermath of Munich, Chamberlain continued to pursue a course of cautious rearmament. He told the Cabinet in early October 1938, "[I]t would be madness for the country to stop rearming until we were convinced that other countries would act in the same way. For the time being, therefore, we should relax no particle of effort until our deficiencies had been made good.

    Chamberlain set out to build an interlocking series of defence pacts among the remaining European countries as a means of deterring Hitler from war.[157] He sought an agreement among Britain, France, the USSR, and Poland, whereby the first three would go to the assistance of Poland if her independence were threatened, but Polish mistrust of the Soviet Union caused those negotiations to fail.[157] Instead, on 31 March 1939, Chamberlain informed an approving House of Commons of British and French guarantees that they would lend Poland all possible aid in the event of any action which threatened Polish independence.[158] In the ensuing debate, Eden stated that the nation was now united behind the government.[159] Even Churchill and Lloyd George praised Chamberlain's government for issuing the guarantee to Poland.[160]

    The Prime Minister took other steps to deter Hitler from aggression. He doubled the size of the Territorial Army, created a Ministry of Supply to expedite the provision of equipment to the armed forces, and instituted peacetime conscription.[161] The Italian invasion of Albania on 7 April 1939 led to guarantees being given to Greece and Romania.[162] On 17 June 1939, Handley Page received an order for 200 Hampden twin-engined medium bombers, and by 3 September 1939, the chain of radar stations girdling the British coast was fully operational

    Chamberlain had disregarded rumours of a Soviet–German "rapprochement" and was dismissive of the publicly announced pact, stating that it in no way affected British obligations toward Poland.[166] On 23 August 1939, Chamberlain had Henderson deliver a letter to Hitler telling him that Britain was fully prepared to comply with its obligations to Poland

     

     

    No question of him taking the threat of a Polish invasion lightly and nothing about him making fun of the “conspiracy theories” against Hitler and Nazi Germany.


     















  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    Found this in the first search I tried. 


    If you do a search on Chamberlain/ww2/Hitler treaty there is a ton of information. 
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    edited June 28 #9
    This sums up the article briefly.

    Today the Munich Agreement is widely regarded as a failed act of appeasement, and the term has become "a byword for the futility of appeasing expansionist totalitarian states".[5]

    In other words, everyone looked the other way and Hitler took advantage of that. China is quietly doing many of the same things right now. If you choose to poke fun and condescendingly put down other informative posts that is your right, but it doesn’t make you “right.”   

  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    edited June 28 #10
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/chamberlain-and-hitler/ 

    There is a ton of info on this out there. You just need to look past Wikipedia before you form an educated opinion
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    This really sums it up below. Its from the  link in my post above. 

    “Chamberlain struggled on as Prime Minister until May 1940 when he resigned and Winston Churchill, a bitter critic of appeasement, took over. Chamberlain died in November 1940; however he continued to be vilified for appeasement in general and for his actions in September 1938 in particular long after his death and the conclusion of the war.”
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    edited June 28 #13
    Hope all this help you get the point. 👍
  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 178 Member
    2Aman said:
    Found this in the first search I tried. 


    If you do a search on Chamberlain/ww2/Hitler treaty there is a ton of information. 

    "Britain had no military obligations toward Czechoslovakia,[98] but France and Czechoslovakia had a mutual assistance pact[94] and both the French and Czechoslovaks also had an alliance with the Soviet Union.
    The Munich Agreement was about "cession to Germany of the Sudeten German territory" of Czechoslovakia.
    It was signed by the top leaders of Germany, France, Britain and Italy but not Czechoslovakia.
    Czechoslovakia yielded to French and British diplomatic pressure and agreed on 30 September to give up territory to Germany on Munich terms.


    The Munich Agreement had nothing to do with the Poland.









  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,367 Senior Member
    Chamberlain didn't differ with Parliament so much on the realistic expectation of German intent as he did on what to do about it. We have the benifit of hindsight and geographic distance. The circumstances and political climate was a quagmire.

    Even the majority of American's at that time favored isolationism. Not that the example to make the point was wrong or inappropriate. Just that a fair and just spotlight on historic people needs complete contemporary context. Churchill's comments about Chamberlain during his first speech as PM should always be remembered.
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    edited June 28 #16
    Alleycat, you need to look at the big picture. Before Poland!! After the invasion it was too late, Thats THE POINT.
    Appeasement, looking the other way, being weak and taking Hitler too lightly, that was Chamberlain. 

    I really cant help you anymore but I hope you learn something from this. 
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    Alleycat, this book is very good, you should read it. 
  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 178 Member
    2Aman said:
    Hope all this help you get the point. 👍

    But no mention of Poland?

    Appeasement?

    Declaration of war: Chamberlain's radio broadcast, 3 September 1939, 11am

    I am speaking to you from the cabinet room at 10 Downing Street. This morning the British ambassador in Berlin handed the German government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.







  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    AlleyCat said:
    2Aman said:
    Hope all this help you get the point. 👍

    But no mention of Poland?

    Appeasement?

    Declaration of war: Chamberlain's radio broadcast, 3 September 1939, 11am

    I am speaking to you from the cabinet room at 10 Downing Street. This morning the British ambassador in Berlin handed the German government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.







    Ok, last try - this is about what led up to 1939. How it came to that. I cant do anymore for you. Do some serious reading and you will understand. 
  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 178 Member
    Chamberlain didn't differ with Parliament so much on the realistic expectation of German intent as he did on what to do about it. We have the benifit of hindsight and geographic distance. The circumstances and political climate was a quagmire.

    Even the majority of American's at that time favored isolationism. Not that the example to make the point was wrong or inappropriate. Just that a fair and just spotlight on historic people needs complete contemporary context. Churchill's comments about Chamberlain during his first speech as PM should always be remembered.

    Neville Chamberlain had no defence pact with Czechoslovakia.
    He did have one with Poland and when Germany invaded Poland he fulfilled that pact.



  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,367 Senior Member
    Your point is correct. But its exclusive of contemporary majority public will, perception, opinion, and circumstance. All things of tremendous concern to a politician. 

    Events made clear the wisedom and righteousness of resistant force. Creating majority public support. 

    Which leads us back to the present. Alarmists versus sceptics. Im sceptical. That doesn't mean Im right or even completely convinced that I'm right......
  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 178 Member
    2Aman said:
    AlleyCat said:
    2Aman said:
    Hope all this help you get the point. 👍

    But no mention of Poland?

    Appeasement?

    Declaration of war: Chamberlain's radio broadcast, 3 September 1939, 11am

    I am speaking to you from the cabinet room at 10 Downing Street. This morning the British ambassador in Berlin handed the German government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.







    Ok, last try - this is about what led up to 1939. How it came to that. I cant do anymore for you. Do some serious reading and you will understand. 

    The surrender agreement the Germans signed in 1918 is what led up to 1939.
    The allies did not make that mistake in 1945.
    Serious reading you say, I must try that.




  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 178 Member
    edited June 29 #26

    You have still not referenced this post;

    2Aman said:
    He had his head in the sand before WW2 and made fun of the “conspiracy theories” against Hitler and Nazi Germany...right before they invaded Poland. 
    And Chamberlain being unprepared for the invasion of Poland.


    The Munich Agreement was signed in 1938, the United Kingdom, the French Third Republic and the Kingdom of Italy and celebrated by all parties and throughout Europe for keeping the piece.

    The declaration of war with Germany was written and broadcast in 1939


    2Aman said:
    Below is an excellent article. https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/174143 

    Your excellent article, written in 2020.

    The Neville Chamberlin biography written and researched 2018/19, possibly?


    Hindsight bias

    Hindsight bias, also known as the knew-it-all-along phenomenon or creeping determinism, refers to the common tendency for people to perceive events that have already occurred as having been more predictable than they actually were before the events took place.Wikipedia

     

    He was a man of his time, all just barely recovering from the bloody slaughterhouse that was the 1914/18 war.

     

    On  the annexation of Austria into Nazi Germany  March 1938 (the Anschluss Österreichs) he wrote;

    It is perfectly evident now that force is the only argument Germany understands and that "collective security" cannot offer any prospect of preventing such events until it can show a visible force of overwhelming strength backed by the determination to use it. ... Heaven knows I don't want to get back to alliances but if Germany continues to behave as she has done lately she may drive us to it.

     

    He doubled the size of the territorial army, created a Ministry of Supply to expedite the provision of equipment to the armed forces, and instituted peacetime conscription.

    But the game changer for me, by 3 September 1939, the chain of radar stations covering the United Kingdom coast line, was fully operational.

    Which of itself enabled the first defeat of the German war machine, first major military campaign fought entirely by air forces.

    The Battle of Britain.















  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    alleycat, your obviously very sensitive....

    I am not attacking you personally and your very defensive, but unfortunately, your just not capable of grasping the Whole Point, the Big Picture. This is a waste of time at this point. No worries. Get some thicker skin and realize not everyone agrees on everything. We obviously don’t, and wont and thats fine. 
  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 178 Member


    2Aman said:
    alleycat, your obviously very sensitive....

    I am not attacking you personally and your very defensive, but unfortunately, your just not capable of grasping the Whole Point, the Big Picture. This is a waste of time at this point. No worries. Get some thicker skin and realize not everyone agrees on everything. We obviously don’t, and wont and thats fine. 
    You have made a broad stroke statement about Chamberlain and Poland which you seem unable to reference.

    My questioning of your ability to verify that same statement, and for my part bring to light history that actually happen and not just made up.

    This led you to believe that I am very sensitive, I am in need of some thicker skin and to me thinking I have been personally attacked?



    I have got that right?





  • 2Aman2Aman Member Posts: 332 Member
    Yup, you got it sport👍
  • DrawbarFlatsDrawbarFlats Posts: 486 Member
    Not that I told you this was going to happen, it's bigger than that. You need to realize it is happening - it's been happening, it still is happening. right now, as I type this...Take a look at a few open source articles that some how got zero attention.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/25/texas-chinese-wind-farm-national-security-espionage-electrical-grid/

    https://www.dallasnews.com/business/real-estate/2020/04/17/chinese-investors-seek-forced-bankruptcy-of-north-texas-developments/

    foxbusiness.com/markets/texas-oil-rich-lands-chinese-takeover-weakened-crude-producers

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/15/china-is-bargain-hunting-and-western-security-is-at-risk/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/brendanahern/2020/03/13/china-market-update-chinese-investors-buy-stocks-while-foreigners-flee/#6537893b7b03



    Some of the open source articles go back as far as 2015. 

    Here is the alarming thing. China uses land buys to gain increasing footholds. They also like to buy land within close proximity to US bases. They recently snatched up close to 150K of acres near the Air Force flight school. 


    This is nothing new and it's been "happening" for decades. This nation sold its soul to China long ago with manufacturing. Almost nothing is made here anymore. Everything one purchases is mostly made and manufactured in China. We've traded quality and craftsmanship for cheap discount bargains at the local Walmart. What I find alarming isn't the fact that China is now purchasing U.S. property, it's the fact that our own countrymen are the ones selling it to them. 
  • DrawbarFlatsDrawbarFlats Posts: 486 Member
    Here's some marketing ploys to make the consumer think they are buying American.

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