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A bespoke double rifle from the days of Queen Victoria

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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,514 Senior Member
    You have yourself a treasure, it has been around a long time already, no reason to rush now.  But, if/when you shoot it, you need to have video
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    I'll definitely do that Ron.
    Should be interesting. 
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    Recoil between 375 H&H and 458 isn't sounding fun.

    Regulating a load even less so

    Mike I think I figured out the mystery of the black hole.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,542 Senior Member
    The Martini-Henry rifle was loaded with 85 grains of No 6 (coarse) powder.  If that informs your loading means, go for it.  BP cartridge powder probably would substitute. 
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    edited July 5 #96
    Right now this thing calls for 120 grains of #6 I'm kind I'd assuming that would be for the heavy bullet 400+ grains.

    I have a case of TMI on this
    That I don't understand. 
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,558 Senior Member
    Don't use the regulation load. That gun deserves a gentle caring hand. Same as old guys shoulders. Not to mention 60+ grs of fouling with every shot is a lot of dirt. As long as BP is slightly compressed it shoots safely. Fillers can be used without a problem. 

    I shot my muzzle loader a couple weeks ago with a 50gr charge. 20grs lighter than my sighted in round ball load. Wasn't as accurate. But my son and I had fun and it was still close.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,075 Senior Member
    Don't use the regulation load. That gun deserves a gentle caring hand.  . .
    Thing is, he presumably wants to hit what he's aiming at.  When you've got two barrels both of which are off the center axis of the gun, you have to time the exit of the bullet with how the recoil is shoving the gun right or left.  To accomplish same POI for two tubes with one sighting system is one of the great black arts of gunsmithing.

    He's locked into burn rate with that Damascus gun's need to shoot black.  The magic timing can be achieved by upping or reducing either charge or bullet weight, but for any given bullet design, you're only going to get matching impacts with one level of recoil.

    Note:  When sighting this thing in, you're going to want your hand on the forend.  It can be on top of a rest, but you'll want to simulate how the gun is going to move under recoil in the field as closely as possible.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,558 Senior Member
    Establish POI.
    Keep careful notes.
    Use Kentucky hold.

    Heck Im even going to make oddball targets with Kentucky bullseyes for my trail boss loads rather than change my scope settings.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,542 Senior Member
    There is no way I'd subject my shoulder to 120 gr. of BP and a what?  400 gr bullet or more.  The gun will shoot at a lower load, I'm sure, even if you have to load for each barrel separately and use hold-over.  Not like you're going to hunt dangerous game.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    By that amount of powder it was likely regulated for what I think was a 405 grain bullet back then.

    I'm probably starting with a 440 to work with.


  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    I did manage to find some once fired brass for it. That is on the way. It was less than 1/2 the price of new so had to pounce on it.
    Everything else in in a basket in limbo for now.

  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    Ron.....I was floored


    I have checked the ledger and the rifle was made for the Duke of Leeds around 1878.
    I'm afraid there is no other information on the gun other than the above.
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 3,772 Senior Member
    Ron.....I was floored


    I have checked the ledger and the rifle was made for the Duke of Leeds around 1878.
    I'm afraid there is no other information on the gun other than the above.
    George Godolphin Osborne, 9th Duke of Leeds 1828-1895
    pretty cool provenance.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,542 Senior Member
    The cast-off of that rifle looks to be extreme.  Is it?  Possible the Duke was left-eye dominant.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    Yes Gene very extreme hold stock right hand shoulder aim and shoot with left eye.

    I'm right handed and left eye dominant too.

    That lineage lasted almost 300 years became extinct in 1963 or 64
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    sakodude said:
    Ron.....I was floored


    I have checked the ledger and the rifle was made for the Duke of Leeds around 1878.
    I'm afraid there is no other information on the gun other than the above.
    George Godolphin Osborne, 9th Duke of Leeds 1828-1895
    pretty cool provenance.
    I bet he is rolling in the grave right about now.

    Well pilgrim.....



  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 4,723 Senior Member
    Ron.....I was floored


    I have checked the ledger and the rifle was made for the Duke of Leeds around 1878.
    I'm afraid there is no other information on the gun other than the above.
    That is incredibly cool!!!!!!
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,542 Senior Member
    I have an old item from 1962 the that was owned by a Duke, the Duke, Duke, Duke of Earl.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • DrawbarFlatsDrawbarFlats Posts: 554 Senior Member


    I have checked the ledger and the rifle was made for the Duke of Leeds around 1878.
    I'm afraid there is no other information on the gun other than the above.
    Didn't the Duke have a little run in with Little Bill sometime back? 
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    Yes in 1963 or 1964 that's why the lineage became extinct after nearly 300 years.....lol
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,514 Senior Member
    Ron.....I was floored


    I have checked the ledger and the rifle was made for the Duke of Leeds around 1878.
    I'm afraid there is no other information on the gun other than the above.
    That alone is very kool
    You said the load is engraved on the gun.
    You really have a gem
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    edited July 8 #113
    Ron it is a gem.
    I'm more the lump of coal sort.
    I had visions of me regulating the perfect load for this. Living a nostalgic dream but with it's provenance and condition.

    It calls for someone else.

    I have brass on the way that will be gifted to another.
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 4,723 Senior Member
    Wait.. what?!?!?
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    edited July 8 #115
    GunNut said:
    Wait.. what?!?!?
    Painful enough. 
    I won't shoot it.

    On a side note my shoulder feels really good about now.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,514 Senior Member
    WAIT!!!!!
    Not even shoot it once?
    You are stronger willed than I
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,075 Senior Member
    Ron it is a gem.
    I'm more the lump of coal sort.
    I had visions of me regulating the perfect load for this. Living a nostalgic dream but with it's provenance and condition.

    It calls for someone else.

    I have brass on the way that will be gifted to another.
    SCREW THAT NOISE!!!

    We waged war against England - TWICE - so we wouldn't have to give a crap about the provenance of their nobility's toys.  Load it, shoot it, enjoy it.  Who else is going to appreciate a large bore double with a catty-whompus stock better than you anyway?
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    Diver43 said:
    WAIT!!!!!
    Not even shoot it once?
    You are stronger willed than I
    No just cheaper.
    The brass I'm giving away.
    Bullets dies and shell holder have been deleted from the cart. 
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    edited July 8 #119
    Bigslug said:
    Ron it is a gem.
    I'm more the lump of coal sort.
    I had visions of me regulating the perfect load for this. Living a nostalgic dream but with it's provenance and condition.

    It calls for someone else.

    I have brass on the way that will be gifted to another.
    SCREW THAT NOISE!!!

    We waged war against England - TWICE - so we wouldn't have to give a crap about the provenance of their nobility's toys.  Load it, shoot it, enjoy it.  Who else is going to appreciate a large bore double with a catty-whompus stock better than you anyway?
    Love ya buddy.
     yes the cripple stock works for me.


    if you check post #107 it isn't the duke but  the Jokers comment.

    I don't give a RA about the royalty aspect but do about the history.

     and if I don't get a like from you about slipping that in undetected well???

    I did look him in the eye and he at me and we we're both content and at peace.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,514 Senior Member
    Oh well, I was stocking up beer for the video. One to drink while watching, the rest for something cold to put on your shoulder then drink to numb the pain 
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 467 Member
    Sierra Nevada ?

    Don't make me do it Ron!!!!
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