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Anybody following the "New Bronco" Saga?

zorbazorba Senior MemberPosts: 23,667 Senior Member
It is, of course, loaded down with entirely too much "technology" and stupid touch screen crap - but you knew I'd say that. But it looks like Ford did their homework and will force Jeep to rethink - the latter of which is hinting that a 392 Hemi V8 will be coming to the Wrangler. Heck, the new Bronco even has a nod to the iconic Iacocca fender creases. I'm a bit surprised that there's no diesel option, but the manual transmission sounds like it could be a modern day SM-420 which would be a very good thing indeed!
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."

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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,636 Senior Member
    Makes me pine for my 74' Bronco, I would like to have one, not going to pay that price though.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    What's the market like for '74 Broncos and similar these days? I know that older IHC Scouts are up through the roof in price!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,636 Senior Member
    Stupid money for rusty hulks, as long as the frame is solid and the drivetrain is intact, it is worth money with all of the aftermarket goodies out there. If it is running and solid, you are north of $20K. I have seen some Scouts and pre-78 Broncos on the televised auto auctions go past $50K easily
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    Yea, that's pretty much what I've seen for Scouts - I never really looked into Broncos.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 2,295 Senior Member
    With the 2 door, Ford did stay true to the original. Just wish you could get a V8. 
  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 2,295 Senior Member
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,742 Senior Member
    edited July 14 #8
    I've been following it closely, and a 4-door Black Diamond version may be in my future. I've been screaming for years that Toyota needed to do a ruggedized version of the 4Runner with vinyl/rubber interior and factory armor. Ford did it AND you can get a manual transmission AND it's priced competitively with the less well equipped 4Runner. The only thing it needs now (and it may very well be done) is have the radio electronics sealed against the elements similar to marine radios. 

    Then there's the available factory 35's with appropriate gearing. 

    Ford did this one very, very right. It's clear that they've had their ear carefully tuned to the offroad market. They've made a ton of popular aftermarket mods a factory option. 

    Bravo Ford. I'm not running out to buy one today, but once the first model year growing pains are overcome...
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    edited July 15 #9
    That manual transmission could be a real game changer if its built ruggedly enough. I see it as an updated SM-420 with more gears! Novak will probably make adapters for it!
    Edit: Its more like an updated SM-465 with more gears - not quite as deep a 1st as the SM-420 at a hair over 7:1, but a still very respectable smidge over 6.5:1 - comparable to the SM-465.

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    I had a 96'..
    The new ones look better over all.

    They'll likely be expensive.
    No beard for me. 
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited July 15 #11
    It's a solid niche vehicle. A jeep made by someone else. Drove and owned a few. Crappy mileage but lot's of fun. 

    I wouldn't mind getting the turbo four with the stick, but I don't offroad anymore. 270hp should move it right along. 
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member

    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,262 Senior Member
    My experience with a '78 Toyota FJ-40:  Short wheelbase 4x4's have the ability to take you anywhere - - and lack the ability to take much of anything with you.

    I'm also a little puzzled by this desire to drop monster engines into such things.  While my low-geared 4.2 I-6 Land Cruiser lacked the ability to get out of it's own way, high ground clearance and short wheelbase is NOT a formula you want for a hard-acceleration tire-smoker.

    Dunno. . .I think the 4-Runner / Tahoe approach is a little more sensible for people concerned with the destination more than the journey.
    WWJMBD?

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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited July 15 #14
    Bigslug said:

    I'm also a little puzzled by this desire to drop monster engines into such things.  While my low-geared 4.2 I-6 Land Cruiser lacked the ability to get out of it's own way, high ground clearance and short wheelbase is NOT a formula you want for a hard-acceleration tire-smoker.


    Did a dump run the other day. My 1991 Toyota Pickup weighs close to 3400 pounds unloaded. with roughly 116hp on a good day, it's like playing chess. I need to be 3 moves ahead of anyone else to get there.
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    Winston Churchill
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,636 Senior Member
    I talked to my Ford Dealer yesterday, base stripper model is 28$K and he is looking at about $500 profit on that on just sticker price, top end is 65K$, you can get about 6 different packages and there is alot of tinkering you can do with accessorizing, the cheap base model "sport" is unibody, not very sturdy but should 4 wheel fine until you bend it, he already had 1 guy reserve one and 4 more were working on it, pre-orders will get filled first and then dealer allocations will ship after, he figured he would not get allocated until late 2021 if at all, he was going to buy one just to drive around for advertising, he was pretty excited about about the Bronco, I say good for Ford.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    Unibodies can be very good for on road high performance if done right. Im also sceptical about off road durability there.....
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    I'm also a little puzzled by this desire to drop monster engines into such things.  While my low-geared 4.2 I-6 Land Cruiser lacked the ability to get out of it's own way, high ground clearance and short wheelbase is NOT a formula you want for a hard-acceleration tire-smoker.

    Because this is America, everybody "needs" 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, or more horsepower!

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 2,247 Senior Member
    Looks pretty sweet to me! If it's only twice as reliable as a Chrysler Jeep product they will sell all they can build. It seems they really built some solid off road capability into it.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,167 Senior Member
    edited July 16 #19
    zorba said:
    Bigslug said:
    I'm also a little puzzled by this desire to drop monster engines into such things.  While my low-geared 4.2 I-6 Land Cruiser lacked the ability to get out of it's own way, high ground clearance and short wheelbase is NOT a formula you want for a hard-acceleration tire-smoker.

    Because this is America, everybody "needs" 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, or more horsepower!

    This (Bronco) will get the 392 in the Wrangler within 2 years...... 35 inch tires next year.


    Sasquatch Bronco looks sweet.....


    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,742 Senior Member
    I'm half tempted to do a preorder. You can back out and get a refund at any time. 

    I'm curious to see MPG ratings. If they manage to keep it in the high teens with the larger tires they have a real winner. From an off-roading/overland perspective the reduced range from reduced MPG is a PITA. 

    Show me an honest 17-18 MPG Highway with 35's and I'll start saving my pennies. 
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 3,893 Senior Member
    MPG is a legit concern for some but in reality, the folks buying these will not care. They will sell at 10 MPG just because it’s a new Bronco!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    zorba said:
    Bigslug said:
    I'm also a little puzzled by this desire to drop monster engines into such things.  While my low-geared 4.2 I-6 Land Cruiser lacked the ability to get out of it's own way, high ground clearance and short wheelbase is NOT a formula you want for a hard-acceleration tire-smoker.

    Because this is America, everybody "needs" 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, or more horsepower!

    This (Bronco) will get the 392 in the Wrangler within 2 years...... 35 inch tires next year.


    Sasquatch Bronco looks sweet.....


    Jeep is already talking about the 392. Overall, I think the styling on the Bronco is decent - it looks like a Bronco, albeit with a high beltline which I don't care for that much. Its also a bit more "portly" than the 1st gen, some say it it bears more than a passing resemblance to a 1st gen Scout which I can see. Although I thought the Iacocca fender creases on EVERYTHING were a bit silly at the time, I like that the new Bronco pays homage.
    With all that said, its a JL made by Ford with a few niggley differences. That's both good and bad. I wouldn't have either for reasons everyone here knows, but they'll sell a kazillion of them.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,811 Senior Member
    Well I like Ford trucks and I've never had a bad experience with them but then again I've had great experiences with my Jeeps too.  It all depends on what is available when I'm in the mood for something new in a year or two.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    Well I like Ford trucks and I've never had a bad experience with them but then again I've had great experiences with my Jeeps too.  It all depends on what is available when I'm in the mood for something new in a year or two.
    I could see you with one, you like "that stuff" - it would be a good fit for ya. I had an '87 F-250 that I bought in '95. It was the perfect truck, loved it. I really don't think Ford should have ever done away with their twin I-beam front suspensions either.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,167 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    jbp-ohio said:
    zorba said:
    Bigslug said:
    I'm also a little puzzled by this desire to drop monster engines into such things.  While my low-geared 4.2 I-6 Land Cruiser lacked the ability to get out of it's own way, high ground clearance and short wheelbase is NOT a formula you want for a hard-acceleration tire-smoker.

    Because this is America, everybody "needs" 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, or more horsepower!

    This (Bronco) will get the 392 in the Wrangler within 2 years...... 35 inch tires next year.


    Sasquatch Bronco looks sweet.....


    Jeep is already talking about the 392. Overall, I think the styling on the Bronco is decent - it looks like a Bronco, albeit with a high beltline which I don't care for that much. Its also a bit more "portly" than the 1st gen, some say it it bears more than a passing resemblance to a 1st gen Scout which I can see. Although I thought the Iacocca fender creases on EVERYTHING were a bit silly at the time, I like that the new Bronco pays homage.
    With all that said, its a JL made by Ford with a few niggley differences. That's both good and bad. I wouldn't have either for reasons everyone here knows, but they'll sell a kazillion of them.
    They have been 'talking' for years. Now they must get some 'buzz'
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited July 17 #26
    Here's your V-8 bronco. Pass for an extra 30k,. Insane. Oh, 45K if you want it supercharged.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eQsudKZL-s
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    Tugar said:
    Here's your V-8 bronco. Pass for an extra 30k,. Insane. Oh, 45K if you want it supercharged.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eQsudKZL-s
    At least you can get it with a manual transmission. Now if PaxPower can do away with that horrid touch screen in the middle of the dashboard, they'd have something!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,167 Senior Member
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
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