name any CF rifle cartridge that has a shoulder that is as squatty as the .300 Savage

Moose_Holland

My grandfather had a Savage 99 in .300 Savage but I've never closely looked at a .300 Savage cartridge until today. I saw this video and the man says it has a short neck that is a turn-off to some deer hunters. Indeed, some rifle cartridges don't look visually graceful and long and the mere cosmetics of a rifle cartridge alone can be a deal-breaker to some sportsmen. 

Please see time mark 17:00 for a lecture on the short neck's criticism: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRx8azd6BU&t=1149s


More than the case neck even, the shoulder (tapered part) is remarkably really, really stubby. 


That said, what other CF rifle cartridge has a neck/shoulder that is as short and squatty as the famous but ungainly .300 Savage round? 

Which American bottleneck deer cartridge do you find visually the most beautiful and which one the most ungainly to your eyes? 

Here are some popular American bottleneck deer cartridges through the ages:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/hUAV2G4.jpg[/img]

mitdr774

Try a .35 Whelen or .400 Whelen for a small shoulder.   The length of the neck is not a huge concern for me.  Some of my rifles shot their best groups where that particular load has the bullet seated to a point where im only using about half the length of the neck.  Others have the bullet stuffed so far in that it well into the body of the case.

JunkCollector

You've mentioned your grandfather's 99 several times.
How about some pictures of it ?

We'd definitely like to see it.
You also said a gunsmith said it was only a wall hanger. Some second and third opinions in that may be beneficial 

Moose_Holland

JunkCollector said:

You've mentioned your grandfather's 99 several times.
How about some pictures of it ?

We'd definitely like to see it.
You also said a gunsmith said it was only a wall hanger. Some second and third opinions in that may be beneficial 

I don't have any pictures of that gun and that gun was stolen and never recovered 21 years ago. It was on my mind lately and I'm now rather sad the gun is gone. I'm also sad that the 99 went out of production in 1998. It was such a masterpiece for American deer hunters for nearly a century. Why did Savage finally dump the Model 99 anyway? Bolt actions and AR type rifles much too popular and the 99 could no longer compete? The famed Winchester lever job still remained a top seller? 

Here is a picture of American bottleneck deer cartridges for cosmetic comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/hUAV2G4.jpg

AlleyCat

What a schoolday today.

I have learned what cowboy guns look like.

Moose_Holland said:

 Here are few examples of classic American cowboy guns-

https://imgur.com/SsEAxlx

What bottleneck deer cartridges look like.

Moose_Holland said:

Here is a picture of American bottleneck deer cartridges for cosmetic comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/hUAV2G4.jpg

And how to use Youtube to gain knowledge about firearms, all on a firearms forum.

Who would have thunk it.

Moose_Holland

AlleyCat said:

What a schoolday today.

I have learned what cowboy guns look like.

Moose_Holland said:

 Here are few examples of classic American cowboy guns-

https://imgur.com/SsEAxlx

What bottleneck deer cartridges look like.

Moose_Holland said:

Here is a picture of American bottleneck deer cartridges for cosmetic comparison:

https://i.imgur.com/hUAV2G4.jpg

And how to use Youtube to gain knowledge about firearms, all on a firearms forum.

Who would have thunk it.

Now a question or two: which American CF bottleneck deer cartridge looks prettiest to you and which one looks ugliest to you?  I'd have to give the ugly award to the poor .300 Savage and the pretty award to the .30-06 or the .270 Win. I'd give my eye teeth to have a mint-condition Savage 99 with checkered pistol grip stock in .300 Savage, however. The cartridge might be no byoot for looks but it makes impressive groups on paper targets so I've been told. 

Moose_Holland

My latest "What ever happened to the once-venerable Savage Model 99?" thread just got blitzed. I guess G&A ain't too crazy about them either. 

Bigslug

Moose_Holland said:

Which American bottleneck deer cartridge do you find visually the most beautiful and which one the most ungainly to your eyes? 

As long as we're categorizing, there is a certain drop-forged, chrome vanadium TOOL aspect to this recurring individual that might be worth speculating on in the clubhouse, but that may be beyond our scope.

Big Al1

The .300 SAVAGE was also ahead of it's time! Necked down to .25 it became the .250-3000, in turn that was necked down to .22 and became the .22-250, the first factory round to exceed 3000 FPS. When the US was looking for a cartridge to replace the .30-06 they experimented with the .300 Savage and it eventually morphed into the .308/7.62.
By 1998 the lever guns were no longer "in vogue" and expensive to make, especially with the rotary magazine. By this time Savage had become the Walmart of gun makers, and they're market became the budget minded gun buyer, targeting hunters that hit the woods once a year and used the same box of ammo over several season.

Gene L

The 99 became too expensive to make.  In 1998, they no longer had the rotary magazine, the had a "clip".  The 99C. (C for Clip).  The 250-3000 was the first factory cartridge to exceed 3000 fps, at least on paper. I think the 99s required a whole lot of machining, which in addition to what Big Al said, made them stop being made. They are a different kind of lever gun; look different and feed different. But what made them famous was the fact you could load pointed bullets in them.

I don't think you could load a longer OAL round than a .300 Savage in a rotary magazine in a 99 length action. I love mine.  They shoot pretty good and carry as well as any lever gun w/o a scope.  

bullsi1911

Moose_Holland said:

My latest "What ever happened to the once-venerable Savage Model 99?" thread just got blitzed. I guess G&A ain't too crazy about them either. 

 Since we know you have a certain fetish for coming back here- I’ll let you in on a secret...  G&A does not really pay attention to these boards at all. I would be willing to bet that Management at G&A is not really aware they exist.  Hell, the webmaster may be surprised if someone reminds ‘em that there are message boards here.

AlleyCat

The Scarlet Pimpernel of the firearm boards world.

Bigslug

AlleyCat said:

The Scarlet Pimpernel of the firearm boards world.

Except that no one seeks him here.  No one seeks him there.  No Frenchies seek him anywhere. . .