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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,702 Senior Member
    A .22 pistol is never a mistake.  Not, maybe, the first handgun for self defense, but damned good to learn basic marksmanship....or markswomanship.  Cheap to shoot and you'll take the lessons back home with you.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 2,524 Senior Member
     :) 
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    BTW....don't bother with head shots at this point, unless you're doing it for fun. Try for center mass every time at this point. Much like sharpening a knife.....you can hone your skills later. But much sooner than later than you expect.

    Mike

    Thanks Mike.  The instructor was pretty rapidly barking shots for me to try and he said "two head shots".  But yeah, vital shots.


  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    GunNut said:
    Twinkle said:
    Hey guys!
    I went shooting with an instructor for the first time today and shot a Ruger SR .22 and I loved it!  Most of my shots at first were pretty accurate, and then I started getting a little overloaded.  Switched to a S&W .22 revolver and you can see where my shots started going off to the right.  Then switched back to the Ruger with a laser for 10 rounds, including the head shots and the shots to the colored shapes.
    It convinced me that I like the Ruger .22 and when I go looking for another firearm, I think that's a good place to start.
    Range was 20 feet.


    Hey, every single one of those shots would have produced a good effect against a BG.  Good for you!
    Thanks GunNut!

  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,800 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #276
    In the Marines,  we were taught "center mass every shot".  Attempted head shots were discouraged. Any hit from high lungs to low guts was much better than him hearing one whistle a half-inch past his ear.

    Yes, gruesome.....but they have a lot of experience at that trade.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    Freezer said:
     :) 
    :)  indeed!

  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    Diver43 said:
    There you go. Its all about having fun.  Your not really working at it if your smiling.  Well done
    Thank you, Diver43.  I had fun!

  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    Gene L said:
    A .22 pistol is never a mistake.  Not, maybe, the first handgun for self defense, but damned good to learn basic marksmanship....or markswomanship.  Cheap to shoot and you'll take the lessons back home with you.
    Thanks Gene.  I'm looking forward to going to the gun store to look.

  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,767 Senior Member
    Very good shooting. Take every lesson with a measure of seriousness and you'll be better than most in short order.
    👍
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    Spk said:
    Very good shooting. Take every lesson with a measure of seriousness and you'll be better than most in short order.
    👍
    Thanks Spk.  Good advice.

  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,184 Senior Member
    Twinkle said:
    Gene L said:
    A .22 pistol is never a mistake.  Not, maybe, the first handgun for self defense, but damned good to learn basic marksmanship....or markswomanship.  Cheap to shoot and you'll take the lessons back home with you.
    Thanks Gene.  I'm looking forward to going to the gun store to look.

    And a Ruger is very seldom a mistake either. I have several, including my first ever pistol purchase, a Ruger Mark III .22lr semi-auto. Now superseded by the Mark IV - but I shoot it more than any other firearm I own, it pretty much goes with me EVERY time I go to the range.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,702 Senior Member
    The Mark II is a fine pistol...trigger is a little problematical, but it's a solid gun.  I had one until I decided it was time to clean it...NOPE. It's a nightmare.  I had mine long before Internet videos showing how to break one down and reassemble  it.  You seldom need to take one apart, if ever, but if you're a clean gun nut, there are better, easier .22s to clean.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 2,524 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #284
    The military as a general rule wants center mass for several reasons. One they are high percentage hits and disable the combatant, prevent him from fighting on. Special forces prefer double tap to take the combatant out quick, eliminate the threat. 

    The second reason for center mass hits psychological. When your comrade is dead he lies there. When he is wounded he crying in pain seeking help. As casualties mound there are less combatants and  there is a psychological effect.

    Third is logistical, a dead person can be handled and place on a truck after the battle. A wonder man need emergency medical attention, evacuation, and and surgical care. All this involves personal, transportation and supplies. You bleed the army not just the man. 

    In a SD situation I'm interested in hurting the bad guy enough to let me alone! I will do my best to put holes in his boiler room (collapse their lungs) and shut down his pump (heart), upper center mass. In every SD situation I've heard of if there's a second bad guy the little solidia will run usually pulling the trigger on his weapon in the wrong direction as he runs. Last week in Wilkinsburg, Pa that's exactly what happened during a home invasion. Two bad guys entered, two residents drew guns, one bad guy fired as they left the home and his partner was found dead a block away. Shot by his buddy!

    Three would be robbers entered the LGS where I lived in Californiastan. As the entered the first produced a shot gun and was DRT, the second had a 357, he turned as he squeezer the trigger and hit his partner, the third guy. He continued to squeeze the trigger as he jumped over his wounded buddy and hit a kid across the street in the arm.

    My friend, a black attorney, live in a bad neighborhood. He had gang and drug activity a in front of his house. Once he was beaten in his driveway and hospitalized. In violation of Ca. law he kept a SD Gun on himself when he could. One afternoon in his front yard the about ten little solidias challenged him. Twice he knocked their mouth to the ground. Humiliated he went to his partner to get a pistol out of his waist band. Pat didn't wait, he fire two 9mm rounds into the punks shoulder, He missed, no boiler room hits. The other little solidias scattered. Real brave!

    My point is these fool that are out looking for trouble aren't smart, brave or trained. .32, 289, 9mm, 45.....Shoot quick, accurately, make them bleed and get as many shots as you can in their boiler room. The other fools will run! 
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,226 Senior Member
    Another interesting factoid...Women are more likely to be attacked by multiple assailants...Something to keep in mind when train,ing...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,800 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    Another interesting factoid...Women are more likely to be attacked by multiple assailants...Something to keep in mind when train,ing...
    I believe you, but that goes against all I'd expect. I would have thought the exact opposite.

    Strong argument for a double-stack.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    Jayhawker said:
    Another interesting factoid...Women are more likely to be attacked by multiple assailants...Something to keep in mind when train,ing...
    Is that so?  Interesting to know.  Thanks.

  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 2,524 Senior Member
    Cowards looking for a soft target.
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    Freezer said:
    Cowards looking for a soft target.
    They'll have to just keep looking.

  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 2,524 Senior Member
    They need to be put in their place, a jail cell or a grave ;)
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    Freezer said:
    They need to be put in their place, a jail cell or a grave ;)
    Yes indeed.  We're all weary of this stupid ****.

  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Shoot, clean, reload, buy more.

    You're officially one of us. Only a guiding light from above can save you now.
  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    I see dollar signs!  It's okay.  At least I'm not spending it on dope.  LOL!
  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    knitepoet said:
    Twinkle said:
    I see dollar signs!  It's okay.  At least I'm not spending it on dope.  LOL!
    Yep, and firearms/related purchases last a lot longer ;)
    Way more useful!

  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,573 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    Another interesting factoid...Women are more likely to be attacked by multiple assailants...Something to keep in mind when train,ing...
    Do you have any sources or links? Wife just renewed her CCW and I got a newby to go with her and I would like some stats for the newby before she picks a firearm, my search-Fu did not pull up any info on types of attacks, just the frequency of them and geographic locations.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,226 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Jayhawker said:
    Another interesting factoid...Women are more likely to be attacked by multiple assailants...Something to keep in mind when train,ing...
    Do you have any sources or links? Wife just renewed her CCW and I got a newby to go with her and I would like some stats for the newby before she picks a firearm, my search-Fu did not pull up any info on types of attacks, just the frequency of them and geographic locations.
    Can't point you in a direction..
    This is what was being taught when we were teaching self-defense awareness classes way back when.....may have come from The Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,573 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Jayhawker said:
    Another interesting factoid...Women are more likely to be attacked by multiple assailants...Something to keep in mind when train,ing...
    Do you have any sources or links? Wife just renewed her CCW and I got a newby to go with her and I would like some stats for the newby before she picks a firearm, my search-Fu did not pull up any info on types of attacks, just the frequency of them and geographic locations.
    Can't point you in a direction..
    This is what was being taught when we were teaching self-defense awareness classes way back when.....may have come from The Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker
    That helps, thanks.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,226 Senior Member
    By the way I recommend that everyone, particularly females interested in defending themselves, read this book...I made it required reading for my daughter...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • TwinkleTwinkle Posts: 174 Member
    Jayhawker said:
    By the way I recommend that everyone, particularly females interested in defending themselves, read this book...I made it required reading for my daughter...
    Ordered it.  Thanks for the recommendation.

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