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Cleaning rifles... Blue, blue and more blue!

GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
I’ve been spending some time doing maintenance.  Some of it highly overdue.  

I have several rifles that I’ve bought and shot little or not at all yet and honestly never really gave them the cleaning they deserved when I first got them.

Well I decided to finally buckle down and get them done.

Did a few of my personal rifles to no real surprise.  A few dirty patches, a few clean ones and I’m done.

Then I got to a few of the acquisitions and damn!!!!!  The first few passes with patches saturated with sweets and these things, for lack of a better description, were throwing up blue vomit!!!  The .270 FN Mauser I picked up recently took about 4 rounds of cleaning with Sweets to get clean patches!!!

Dear God, who would let a rifle go that far.  I’m glad I never bothered shooting it before I cleaned it!

The 88 was dirty but not that bad and the bore looks like new!
Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,004 Senior Member
    I’ve come to like Bore Tech Products. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,731 Senior Member
    I had a Mosin 91/30 that went years with Montana, Sweets and Butches still showing blue patches using  nylon and stainless brushes. Bore looked good but no matter how many strokes the patches were always blue. 
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I’ve come to like Bore Tech Products. 
    @Zee better than Sweets?
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Michakav said:
    I had a Mosin 91/30 that went years with Montana, Sweets and Butches still showing blue patches using  nylon and stainless brushes. Bore looked good but no matter how many strokes the patches were always blue. 
    That would drive me nuts 🤣
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,004 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    I’ve come to like Bore Tech Products. 
    @Zee better than Sweets?
    In my opinion, yes. They don’t have ammonia. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    I’ve come to like Bore Tech Products. 
    @Zee better than Sweets?
    In my opinion, yes. They don’t have ammonia. 
    Ordering some.  Thanks!!!
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,004 Senior Member
    I use Eliminator and Cu+2  
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Just put them in the Amazon cart 👍
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,731 Senior Member
    edited September 13 #10
    GunNut said:
    Michakav said:
    I had a Mosin 91/30 that went years with Montana, Sweets and Butches still showing blue patches using  nylon and stainless brushes. Bore looked good but no matter how many strokes the patches were always blue. 
    That would drive me nuts 🤣
    I wish I still had it. But, it did drive me bat **** crazy. She must of had many war rounds through her. BTW, Bore Tech stuff if good. I prefer more aggressive solvents (ammonia), but you have to watch them.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,039 Senior Member
    KG products are also good.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,731 Senior Member
    edited September 13 #12
    My go to is Gunslick foam for normal cleaning on everything but AR's (semi's).
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    edited September 13 #13
    I’ve been using Sweets forever with no issues but that stuff really smells nasty specially when working in my closed garage.  But damned if it doesn’t do the job!  But I’m always looking for something better.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,039 Senior Member
    KG1 (carbon remover), followed by KG12 (copper remover) followed by KG2  (bore polish) = squeaky clean verified by Hawkeye borescope. Not as laborious a process as it sounds.

    In lieu of KG2, Iosso bore paste is just as good. To clean out the last residual bore paste, I run a wet patch of Kroil down the bore then follow up with clean patches until they come out completely dry.

    WipeOut or GunSlick foaming bore cleaners are great, but they take an overnight soak, possibly a couple applications, to be totally effective. When time is short (as in p'dogging), a carbon fiber rod and appropriate chemicals are your best bet.

    Personally, I don't like Sweet's. IMO, it turns blue upon contact with air....LOL.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,731 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    Michakav said:
    I had a Mosin 91/30 that went years with Montana, Sweets and Butches still showing blue patches using  nylon and stainless brushes. Bore looked good but no matter how many strokes the patches were always blue. 
    That would drive me nuts 🤣

    Just called the buddy I sold it to. He is going to let me get it back. Here we go again!
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,039 Senior Member
    Delete. I'll try later.

    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JaphyJaphy Posts: 65 Member
    I was taught that rifle bores were cleaned with a bore snake. Never used a brush or rod and patch on the Browning 78
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Michakav said:
    GunNut said:
    Michakav said:
    I had a Mosin 91/30 that went years with Montana, Sweets and Butches still showing blue patches using  nylon and stainless brushes. Bore looked good but no matter how many strokes the patches were always blue. 
    That would drive me nuts 🤣

    Just called the buddy I sold it to. He is going to let me get it back. Here we go again!
    Some folks never learn 😂
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Japhy said:
    I was taught that rifle bores were cleaned with a bore snake. Never used a brush or rod and patch on the Browning 78
    Bore snakes are good for quickie cleanups but I’ve never found them to do the job perfectly.  
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Jeff in TXJeff in TX Senior Member Posts: 2,054 Senior Member
    KG products are also good.

    Mike
    There is absolutely nothing on the market that will come even close to KG-12 for copper cleaning, and I mean nothing.  KG-12 removes 9 times more copper than it's nearest competitor.  So many side by side comparisons have been done using all the bore solvents and copper solvents by soaking copper bullets for 24 hours and weighing them before and after.  It's absolutely annihilates  ammonia based products and is completely safe on your bore.  BTW, Sweets and Barnes are usually is in the bottom for copper cleaning when they've done these comparisons. 

    I actually don't use it any longer as it gets rid of every trace of copper in the bore, which is not necessarily a good thing.  Having some copper to fill in small micro machine lines is a good thing as it helps keeps the bore conditioned and smooth.  It may only take your barrel a shot or two after cleaning for your accuracy to settle in.  However, remove all the copper and you'll end up putting quite a few more rounds down line to get your barrels accuracy to settle in.  You're actually putting the copper back into the micro machine lines to help smooth out the bore.

    Me, I use a bore foam, let soak for four or five hours and patch it out.  Lots of blue comes out but it really helps get all the barrel gunk out.  However, when we look through the bore scope, I can still see faint traces of copper in bore which means it's still in the micro machine lines.  After my cold bore shot, my barrels are exactly where I need them to be for the season.  They won't get cleaned until spring or summer.  

    Here's one of the many side by side comparisons done.
    https://www.coretacsolutions.com/products_KG_KG12_TEST.htm
    Distance is not an issue, but the wind can make it interesting!

    John 3: 1-21
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Wow great info!  Thanks!
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Jeff in TXJeff in TX Senior Member Posts: 2,054 Senior Member
    One other thing I forgot to mention when it comes to cleaning my barrels.  I bought a 12 oz (I think) bottle of Wipe Out Accelerator that I use with one of the many different bore foams, though usually Outers Bore Foam.  Before shooting the bore foam down the bore, I used three to four wet patches of the WO Accelerator to push most of the loose crud and gunk out of the barrel.  To be honest I'm not sure if it really helps assist in bore cleaning process as I've never used it by itself.  It was always advertise to help the bore foam. 

    Once all the gunk is out, I'll have three or four rifles lined up on the kitchen island when the Mrs isn't home and I fill the barrels with bore foam.  Let soak four or five hours or so, though sometimes overnight depending on when I start the process.  Then I patch them out which takes five dry patches or so.  If it's for summer storage, I take a patch of Mobile one push it through the barrel followed by a dry patch.

    I learned all this from one of the top barrel manufactures in the country when I wrote a piece on barrel break-in many years ago.  I've been doing it ever since.   
    Distance is not an issue, but the wind can make it interesting!

    John 3: 1-21
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,004 Senior Member
    VFG Felt Pellets

    Patches are so.........90s. 😎
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Well I guess it's time I abandon my old technology love affair with Sweets and start embracing new ways of doing things!  Thanks all for the advice and product recommendations, I LOVE this place!!!
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    VFG Felt Pellets

    Patches are so.........90s. 😎
    Thanks for reminding me that I want those.  I was waiting to order until I got closer to running out of patches and I just found another two huge bags that I don't remember buying with about 3 trillion patches...  So I'm not waiting to switch.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Jeff in TXJeff in TX Senior Member Posts: 2,054 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    VFG Felt Pellets

    Patches are so.........90s. 😎
    I've never seen these.  Going to place an order today.  Many thanks for the heads up!
    Distance is not an issue, but the wind can make it interesting!

    John 3: 1-21
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,796 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    VFG Felt Pellets

    Patches are so.........90s. 😎
    I've never seen these.  Going to place an order today.  Many thanks for the heads up!
    Brownells has a constant shortage of them...  :s
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • gunner81gunner81 Member Posts: 434 Member
    GunNut said:
    Zee said:
    VFG Felt Pellets

    Patches are so.........90s. 😎
    I've never seen these.  Going to place an order today.  Many thanks for the heads up!
    Brownells has a constant shortage of them...  :s

    I find that Brownells has a constant shortage of everything I buy a lot of gun stuff on line just about everything but I've never ordered from Brownells that I can recall it doesnt matter what I need from scope rings to rifle barrels to cleaners to reloading supplies the one thing you can count on is that Brownells is out of it
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,917 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    VFG Felt Pellets

    Patches are so.........90s. 😎
    I also have been procrastinating about trying these
    is the jag a one size fits all, or does each size require a different one?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,004 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    VFG Felt Pellets

    Patches are so.........90s. 😎
    I've never seen these.  Going to place an order today.  Many thanks for the heads up!
    I try and use one size larger than the bore diameter offered.  

    For instance, I use .338 cal pellets in my .308cal rifles. 

    6.5cal in my 6mm

    7mm in my 6.5

    Etc.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,004 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    Zee said:
    VFG Felt Pellets

    Patches are so.........90s. 😎
    I also have been procrastinating about trying these
    is the jag a one size fits all, or does each size require a different one?
    Two jag sizes (I believe). 

    One for my .22cal rods and one for my .30cal rods. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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