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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,378 Senior Member
    Sure is nice when the fix is that simple
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 672 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Jerry I just cant ever leave a gun broken. I have to fix them.


    Guess it was the shells.
    Tried some others today and bang bang.
    Glad I don't have to take it apart.
    Oh and it hits true.




    Those firing pin indents look a lot deeper. So I guess the Kroil worked in softening up some crud in the firing pin channels


    I thought the same then wondered if just them firing would cause it.
    I'm going to test something with those paper shells Again and see what happens. Then it will be definative.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,365 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Jerry I just cant ever leave a gun broken. I have to fix them.


    Guess it was the shells.
    Tried some others today and bang bang.
    Glad I don't have to take it apart.
    Oh and it hits true.




    Those firing pin indents look a lot deeper. So I guess the Kroil worked in softening up some crud in the firing pin channels.
    Exactly what I was thinking. The pin indentations are much improved. I bet if he tried the original shells again, they'd go off this time. Much like rotating a FTF rimfire will yield success on the second attempt.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 672 Senior Member
    Next time out that will get tested.
    I tried a total of 6 first time out.
    One set I tried twice.
    I also have the rest of that box.
    The Kroil yesterday and it firing today was probably very good for it. I think it sat idle for a long long time.


  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,278 Senior Member
    I've had the impression. I think mostly from my Dad's old stories. That quality of the different brands of paper shells varied a lot. I think primers are hard to get right even now. Cup thickness and chemical dispersment can maybe suffer QC issues.

    Before my time. So I don't really know for sure.
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 672 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #37
    I gave it a field test.....bad ammo.
    The strike was exactly the same as before. The newer stuff all worked.
    At least that's what I have so far.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,365 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #38
    When I was a kid, my step-brothers Dad gave him a NIB 20 gauge Mossberg pump along with at least a couple hundred paper hulled shells he'd had for years. My SB and I took it out after squirrels on its maiden voyage.

    Immediately upon entering the treeline, the first fox squirrel arrived, perfectly positioned at the end of a long red oak limb. Being its maiden voyage, my SB had the honors....."click..pump..click...pump...click."
    The squirrel never moved, and my SB had time to reload. Three more clicks. While he was reloading again the fuzzie indicated an intention to move, so I bopped him with my .410.

    You can imagine how PO'ed an 11 YO was when his brand new shotgun didn't work. We had to, before proceeding further, test it some more. 3 more shots, 3 successful "bangs". Tried 3 more. 1 "bang" and 2 FTF's.

    We combined our allowance and bought him a box of plastic-hulled Remington-Peters, and never encountered a FTF with that gun again. Upon close inspection of the ones his Dad had given him, we could see no difference at all. Some fired....some didn't. Just that simple.

    Oh...for the remainder of the "duds"?....

    My SB, being of criminal bent of mind, cut them open, poured the powder into a couple of large empty kitchen match boxes and duct-taped them tightly shut after inserting a Black-Cat firecracker fuse and blew a couple of neighbors mailboxes into something much less waterproof than they'd been before. Both of those fired just fine.

    Mike






    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    I have some quail loads in 12 ga. with 1 oz of #8 shot that I reloaded in the 1960s and still use occasionally for hunting. They still go bang when I pull the trigger. Federal paper hulls, Red Dot powder, Winchester primers, and card over powder wad and old fiber cushion wad, no shot cup. The shells did/do have over shot card smeared with bees wax, though. My Dad made me do that even though the shells were star crimped. Knew better than to argue with a Marine; nothing good ever came from that. Probably stopped some moisture intrusion, though, and we stored them in metal ammo cans. And reloaded on an old Herter's shotshell press! Remember them? And I still have that old press. :D 

    I use Mec 600 presses for shotshells now. My old Rem. 878 semi auto shotgun with Cutts Compensator and screw in chokes doesn't always play well with plastic wads and shot cups so I reload for it the same way with card over shot and cushion wads, but without that over shot card. Always stored inside the house in .50 cal. ammo cans. ALL my shotshells, whether bought new or reloaded are stored that way in metal ammo cans with good greased seals. Shotshells, be they plastic or paper hull, are a different animal when compared to metallic case ammo.

    Just consider this as the ramblings of an old guy that thought this relevant to shotshell ammo and storage.
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 672 Senior Member
    These were definitely shells of unknown history Mike.
    I was glad a fix was just trying some others

  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,112 Senior Member
    Do you have another 20ga to try them in, might get a different result.
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 672 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    Do you have another 20ga to try them in, might get a different result.
    I do and sometime I'll bring this whole box to the range and dispose of one way or another.

    I wouldn't trust any of them now in a hunting situation.
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