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24" vs 20" AR-15

MichakavMichakav Senior MemberPosts: 2,856 Senior Member
What say the hive? I know the 24" is really not all that practical, but I have lusted after 1 for some time. I have had 20" HB before and loved them. Then I got into the shorter styles. Wanting to get a dedicated longer barrel upper for groundhogs. Seems that good (decent/cheaper) quality 24" are hard to find. Any ideas? Was looking at CBC Industries but then read some bad reviews. Mostly about very lacking customer service when dealing with issues.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,437 Senior Member
    edited October 2020 #2
    I've got a 24" AR with a fluted barrel...great shooter, very accurate, best used in a stand

    My cousin has an AR with a 24" Full Bull...muzzle heavy as the sickens and a pain in the ass to lug around

    All that being said
    ..my 20"ARs are just as accurate
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,411 Senior Member
    I don't know much about modern day AR's (M16A1 is an entirely different matter....I know it better than I know my wife), but I'm pretty familiar with the .223 Rem chambering.

    4" of barrel length will gain you, realistically 200 fps or there abouts. IME a gain of 200 fps doesn't make much of a difference until you cross 400 yards, and even then the advantage is more wind than elevation related.

    I like longer barrels because they're heavier, and when benched ,shooting at small targets at long distance, heavier is better. But, unless shooting long, possibly combined with tough winds, 200 fps isn't going to make or break the bank.

    JMHO.

    Mike


    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,823 Senior Member
    Well, comparing apples to apples, My RRA came with a 20" bull, I replaced it with a 23.5" Lilja Bull.
     Both are 0.932" barrels and the difference is quite noticeable and I WISH I'd bought another 20"
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    Well, comparing apples to apples, My RRA came with a 20" bull, I replaced it with a 23.5" Lilja Bull.
     Both are 0.932" barrels and the difference is quite noticeable and I WISH I'd bought another 20"
    These responses are why I asked. 24" AR's look REALLY cool. I know I don't need one, but have always wanted one. I think need will win over want this go around. Not sure yet.
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,855 Senior Member
    If it were me, the extra weight and cumbersomeness wouldn't be worth it. With that said, you want one, get one. 
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 25,154 Senior Member
    I’ve had most barrel lengths offered in the AR platform and my preference for field work in .223 Remington is 18-20” in length. 

    Balances well and performs well. From gophers to pigs. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,394 Senior Member
    If you have to satisfy that lust factor then go for it.
    Twenty inch is all I care for but if you want a 24", who am I to tell you no.
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    Anyone purchased from CBC?
  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 634 Senior Member
    I have a 24inch that is a dedicated bench gun for sage rats. It’s very accurate and works awesome for longer range shots that can be very rapid fire. 

    Outside of that I never use it, to long, clumsy, and heavy. For coyotes and any walking around it’s a shorter one. 
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    I have a 24inch that is a dedicated bench gun for sage rats. It’s very accurate and works awesome for longer range shots that can be very rapid fire. 

    Outside of that I never use it, to long, clumsy, and heavy. For coyotes and any walking around it’s a shorter one. 
    This will be a dedicated ground hog AR. Have a few others that fulfill other roles. Leaning towards a 20 HBAR just for practicality. 
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,437 Senior Member
    This is my 24"...the fluted barrel makes makes all the difference in being handy....currently on loan to my FiLin the U.P. for coyote eradication...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 634 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    This is my 24"...the fluted barrel makes makes all the difference in being handy....currently on loan to my FiLin the U.P. for coyote eradication...
    That looks just like the one I have. 
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    edited October 2020 #14
    Got a plan in the works thanks to a fellow forum member. Will be testing an older Eagle Arms/Armalite 24" Bull upper that he has had sitting around for a while. If I like it he is going to give me a great deal on it. Hard to find parts in stock from the same company to avoid excess shipping so I will be scavenging from other AR's for now. Not ideal, but a good enough test. To be continued.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 25,154 Senior Member
    Excellent!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    edited October 2020 #16



    It has begun. Bipod and cantilever added. Switched out a CAR stock for an A2 on a donor lower that has a NB trigger and JP reduced springs that is super clean and around 3.5#. Had to level out the canted gas block. Hopefully the gas port still lines up. Timing looks good with the tube but it is only a set screw block. Searching for an "affordable" medium range optic now. 

    Any suggestions? Was thinking 4-12 or 6-18. Around $2-250. 

    If this works all I will need to recover is another BCG and an LPK for the donor AR.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,411 Senior Member
    My vote is 6-18X.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    My vote is 6-18X.

    Mike
    Suggestions in my price range?
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    It weighs 11lb 6oz currently. I think it will plant quite nicely! And stay there....  :wink:
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,411 Senior Member
    Check out Bushnell Legend 6-18X at Cabela's. $160. It's a lot of scope for the money.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,437 Senior Member
    Is it a bit muzzle heavy?
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    Is it a bit muzzle heavy?
    Only if you shoulder it unsupported..... B)
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,437 Senior Member
    My cousin used to shoot his offhand....accurately...on running coyotes...the guy is a shooting machine...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    edited October 2020 #24
    Jayhawker said:
    My cousin used to shoot his offhand....accurately...on running coyotes...the guy is a shooting machine...
    It's doable. I am used to heavy mil-surps, so this build is not too unexpectedly heavy. Was kind of the goal. Will be laying/sitting in the farm fields waiting for groundhogs to appear.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,411 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo is the best off-hand rifle shot at running game I've ever seen. If it's standing still, he might miss it, but if it's fleeing in terror, it's as good as in the freezer.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,437 Senior Member
    My cousin and I were calling coyotes out West of the Smoky Hill Bombing range in Kansas and had four come in...I shot one and Cuz dropped the other three on the run with a bolt gun...some folks have a gift...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • PFDPFD Senior Member Posts: 1,533 Senior Member
    I suppose it would swing smoothly on running game 😁
    I think the bipod is the way to go though.👍
    Looks good for its purpose.

    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    edited October 2020 #28
    Check out Bushnell Legend 6-18X at Cabela's. $160. It's a lot of scope for the money.

    Mike
    Ordered. Paid $135 shipped getting the card and a $10 code.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,411 Senior Member
    I think you're gonna like it. Though I sold the one I owned atop a Browning A-Bolt Varmint Stalker, in .223 Rem, I can tell  you I twisted those knobs uncounted thousands of times beforehand. Absolute repeatability, and if your rifle, loads, and skills are up to it....the scope won't let you down.

    A 400 yard g'hog is going to  easy meat. :)

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    edited October 2020 #30
    Small update....Deducted that I actually have a PSA NiB 2 stage at 2.5# pull in the donor lower....BONUS....Scope should be here tommorow. 

    I am knee deep in this now. I kidded myself that I was just going to scratch an itch on the cheap. I just found an excuse to buy a stock, bipod, grip, mount and scope. I HAD to replace the borrowed hardware from the donor....Had a lower, CAR stock and reduced power trigger sitting around. I like that they sell LPK without trigger components. I don't mind having 3 AR's (12th "built") though.. :)....10.5, 16 and now 24....I have the collection I wanted.


    Wife caught on a couple days ago with the various packages arriving and the AR sitting on the hutch.... :#
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,856 Senior Member
    edited November 2020 #31
    Mostly ready for testing....Weather supposed to be decent next week.... Scope looks high but it is perfect for me because of were I rest my cheek on the stock. 


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