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Zee
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130 pound sow
Broadside







.38 Special - Terminal Performance.

Rossi .38 Spl
148gr Matt’s Bullet RFHP @ 1,000 fps
7yrds130 pound sow
Broadside

Impact (Red Arrow)

Bullet passed through and hit dirt. (Red Circle)


Bullet passed through and hit dirt. (Red Circle)

She circled the pen and sat down after 9 seconds.


Flipped over and rolled through rhe mud hole. 😒




Got out of the mud hole and fell over.

Laid there a few seconds then flipped over on her back in the mud hole again.


Kind of a last......🖕🏻
From shot to sitting was 8 seconds.
Shot to on her back was 44 seconds.
She laid there atonal breathing for about another minute.


"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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If I have to shoot a bad something with a .38 Spl I'm gonna shoot it a lot more than once as fast as I can.
Mike
N454casull
The lesson from this for defensive shooting is clear - one hole is not a big enough drain for comfort; make several.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
Maybe, though improbable, with a .270 Win.
Mike
N454casull
Mike
N454casull
interesting results, Zee. Thanks
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
The heart stopped beating effectively in this case, but unlike a hit in the aorta a little higher up, it isn't necessarily going to depressurize the pipes to the brain as fast. That's probably why that sow kept kicking so long - Zee disrupted blood DELIVERY, but not availability; the pig's brain was probably still making the most of the oxygen that was still there and maybe even haphazardly pumping a little.
Best explanation - probably - is that this was not a fast bleed out. Maybe not even really a bleed out at all. For a hunting kill, I'd be totally happy with that effect. In a defensive shoot, it would definitely be a case of delivering a couple more.
But I've been seeing this ten-ish second span from quality cardio hits to inability to stand quite a bit, and I've seen it with a pretty wide range of destructive capabilities from rifles that DO deliver hydrostatic displacement on down. Probably some of the current 9mm appeal can be found there: there isn't much difference in the effect of a slightly bigger wound track, but the ability to quickly deliver a couple more and with better accuracy might increase your odds of having the fight stop, rather than continue on until the brain figures out it has a problem.
At any rate, it's all proof that we should keep the brain and pelvic shot options in mind as follow ups. Ten seconds can be a LONG time.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
but. . .
How to do as actual science? I think I've got the beginnings of an answer. Like I've said, I've been latching onto this notion of it consistently taking about 8-10 seconds for a single cardio hit to get a critter on the ground. I think if we can get that time down significantly, we might be able to start pulling meaningful things from the results.
The challenge is that Zee's piggies tend to thrash a lot when they take that first hit (SOOOO inconsiderate of them), so placement on the second may be a bit of a problem.
Maybe two shooters side by side to simulate one gun, firing the same ammo simultaneously at pre-agreed locations?
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
Right up there with a good Buffalo Bore +P load. Waiting for this test also. Those GoldDots should work just fine. 👍
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
Winston Churchill
The Ballistics by the Inch website indicates that 9mm's - depending on the load - can increase up to about 400 fps going from a 2" to an 18" barrel.
A .357 Magnum can almost double in speed with that much barrel change.
Both .35 caliber. Both available in repeating carbines. This would get you the better accuracy you want in the pig pen for good science - maybe even to the point of trying out the double-tap concept. With the ability to load up or down, you could simulate anything from a .380 up to a downrange impact from a .35 Remington on Whelan.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee