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I don’t plan on getting any shots just like I don’t get the flu shot anymore. I’ve only gotten the flu once in my life but it was nothing compared to how crappy I felt after the handful of flu shots I’ve gotten.”But atleast you didn’t get the flu!” “I would gladly take the flu, or a 2x4 to the head, over how I felt after that horrible shot!” I’m not in the age range to be at a high risk for the “virus” and my work dosent require me to get one even though it’s free if I want one. My former father in law has been in an induced coma for about 5 days with this virus. I’m skeptical though. It may be his 1/2 carton of smokes a day and 130 pounds of extra weight/type 2 diabetes that he ignores that put him in the hospital instead of a “virus.” But I’m not a Dr, just a scientific wild ass guess? 🤷♂️
What I'd like to know is - if the vaccine is so effective, why are the vaccinated so afraid of those who aren't. Never mind the continued nonsense from the Mask Cult (tm). I'm normally VERY pro-vaccine - but not this one, not now at least. The reasons are pretty obvious methinks.
What I'd like to know is - if the vaccine is so effective, why are the vaccinated so afraid of those who aren't. Never mind the continued nonsense from the Mask Cult (tm). I'm normally VERY pro-vaccine - but not this one, not now at least. The reasons are pretty obvious methinks.Actually those that are vaccinated are not afraid at all.The current administration is making masks mandatory wherever they can so that someone vaccinated and not sick but maybe caring it might give it to someone not vaccinated and kill themBeing vaccinated is your choice. If you get sick, it's on you, I'm getting sick of the mask bs
My perspective as a 60 y/o respiratory therapist working on the front lines is this. To each their own on this vaccine of course but to me the risk of complications is far less than what Covid causes. I have seen and am see the devastation this virus causes, it ain't pretty. probably 1/3 of those we are currently caring for will not see home. All but one of our current case load did not get vaccinated ether by choice or just simply their bracket had not come up yet. The one had only just got the first injection so likely had be infected prior. I have not seen a vaccinated, hospitalized patient yet. It may be a small sample but to me this points to the vaccine working to some degree.
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My daughter just got her first Pfizer to NO after effects except a VERY mild localized soreness.
Wife got two Moderna and got her butt handed to her both times with localized fevers, chills, dizziness, inflammation of the arm, and outright nausea for the second one. Was out of commission for 3-4 days. Then again she could have been milking it… 😁
I got my first Pfizer and was pretty much uneventful except for soreness for a day or so.
Crazy story, I was originally scheduled for my first shot on May 4th and a friend in Health Care offered to let me “jump the line” at his hospital since they always have leftover doses. He was going to get me the J&J one shot deal. Before it happened they called me in for an early Pfizer and I took it. Two days later the stopped J&J because of the blood clots issue.
There would probably be more willingness from more people if it wasnt being pushed so hard. I look at it as something like the flu shot. Its probably going to be a yearly thing and eventually some jobs will require it in order to work on the site. Hospitals are a good example of that. I do not do any hospital work so it isnt a concern, but if the other jobs start to require it I will have the choice of being employed with a shot, or being unemployed but not have the shot.
Those who were vaccinated with the 1st. lots of Chinese (SinoFarm) concoction despite having both doses properly applied are getting sick and even dying. Even the former President who was secretly vaccinated with that crap has become ill (He was outsted because of the scandal) and not a few of us are hoping he chokes to death along with all of those who "skipped the line" while publicly saying they'll be the last ones to get their doses or at least waiting their turn.
For us it's almost sure that there will be no doses for around a year, maby more. Still waiting for Chile to open its borders and go there to get the vaccine (We purchased the air tickets a year ago). Anyway we're about to have a 2nd. round of presidential elections and the favorite runner up by far is a former teacher with strong links to convicted communist terrorists. He has threatened to confiscate foreign businesses, raise income taxes by 3, close the borders, kick the U.S. diplomats out, abolish private banks, schools, transportation, disarm private citizens, change the constitution, etc., pretty much like Cuba or Venezuela (Or worse according to many sources). If he wins we will get our vaccines in Europe and stay there for good.
"You believe there is one God, that is good, even the demons believe and shudder in fear" James 2:19
Not just old and sick people catch and get sick from Covid. Ask JeffinTexas right on this forum.
I hope you change your mind
My S.I.L. is a.....molecular biologist? (She said it in German -"Daslittlekritterdoktormechaniken bitte"? - so that's what I got from it!) who builds virtual models of molecules for new medical substances tests before trying them in living organisms, and works for a big European hospital.
Months ago I asked my brother (Who works in the space industry) and her if they'll vaccinate over there and both were strongly doubtful because of the rush the labs went through to get the vaccine ready for mass production, pushing forward quite a few usual scientific steps and maybe even boundaries to reach the "in less than a year" goal. Some weeks ago I talked again with them, asked the same question and she enphatically said "Ja, we'll get vaccinated soon!". Brother agreed.
Seems like after a few meetings with the hospital staff and other doctors, she "saw the light" about the current vaccine risks vs. the virus effects on the body and will get the Pfizer doses ASAP. No real rush since there the infection rate is among the lowest worldwide, they both work from home, and deaths are VERY few (Maybe an average of 30 monthly, almost all over 85 years old), but still they'll get their shots (If they haven't already).
Meanwhile in the Doldrums, just got news from my mom that she'll almost for sure get her 1st. dose of A-Z this weekend.....hope so!
Im also masked and practice anti social distancing.
Have I done right?
I dont know. Its a complicated world.
Also there's the fact that scientists aren't completely sure if those vaccinated with this or that kind/brand of vaccine are:
1) Almost totally inmune and won't even become infected if exposed.
2) Still subjects to become infected BUT will only develope mild symptoms, if any.
3) Same as #2 but still be contagious despite showing no symptoms whatsoever, thus exposing others non-vaccinated (Like minors or anti-vaxers) or with feeble health to become infected.
4) 100% safe from becoming sick and dying. 99% protection level isn't enough for many when dealing with mortal consequences. Picture yourself standing in front of someone pointing at you a .45ACP Tommygun with a loaded 100-rounds mag and saying "I might have loaded by mistake a single live round among the other 99 blanks, so don't be so afraid when I squeeze a point-blank 1-second burst at you".
Nor they know if a 3rd. dose or periodical shots will be needed to keep the immunity level high enough to block the virus from spreading again, or their long-time side effects. Even "worse" for some, the fact that you can't obviously tell vaccinated form non-vaccinated (Have heard allegedly intelligent, rational and educated people asking for some form of visible body "branding" for those still not vaccinated.....go figure!) have quite a few VERY nervous.
The fact that you (as you people of the civilized world) can have the luxury of deciding to skip the vaccine and still have a VERY little chance of becoming severely ill and dying without even basic medical help shows an attitude that some (and most of the rest of the vaccine & proper medical care-starving people all over the world) might assume as irresponsible and even pedantic. My point of view is that if you're 100% informed about the consecuences to you and the people around you (That also agree and are informed of your situation) of that decision and you're prepared to face them, it's YOUR problem if you take the shot or not.
Maybe if the death rate wasn't 10% of those infected developing serious symptoms, but like in past pandemics, 25% or even up to 40% OF THE WHOLE POPULATION (Think black plague in middleage Europe), this apparent solution wouldn't have even a handful of detractors.
Wasn't planning to get it at least here but since we're almost out of here, didn't want to have any trouble when flying to Spain and moving around Europe with the constantly mutating traveling protocols thanks to the new virus variants.
Will have to change our flight date for the last days of August but at least no more pandemic health issues for us. Luckily the girls are spared of all this thanks to their young age.
Had to wait in line in my car at the local drive-through vaccination center since 4:30 a.m. but they began working at 7:00 and by 7:30 it was done. Days ago it was a mess but seems like the fresh presence of marines toting Micro Galils helped to ease the temper of my fellow citizens.
Nurse knew her business but my arm is pretty soar anyway. Seems that trading a few punches with a friend who practices MMA the day before wasn't a very good idea after all (Well....food in the grill wasn't done yet and beer was still cooling off so had to do something to kill time).