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Self Defence at a bargain ???

SimpleManSimpleMan New MemberPosts: 15 New Member
Hi Guys,

I know we all have our favorite guns to shoot and most of us rely on them everyday for personal protection. I am curious about some of the "cheaper" guns on the market today.

I know we MUST have a reliable firearm to depend on. You must be confident that its going to fire every time you pull the trigger. The gun must be an accurate gun with a nice grouping that lands on target every time. My problem is i have some relatively expensive firearms that i have a personal attachment too for various reasons. As long as these guns are kept on my person i feel safe with them and reasonably comfortable that nothing is going to happen to them. However as we all know there are some areas that are illegal to carry a firearm and some places that its just not appropriate to have a gun on you. I know a lot of times i end up hiding my gun in my truck be it in the glove box the center console or under the seat.

In my area there are getting to be a lot of auto break in's and i have heard of a lot of nice guns that have came up missing as a result. I hate the fact that when this happens we are putting a firearm in the hands of another criminal but i can't solve that problem. What i am getting at is the question, is there any good bargain hand guns available on the market that are decent self defense guns that provide accuracy and reliability ? I know sometimes you can check pawn shops and used gun dealers and find a good deal in a used gun but i would like to know if anyone is making a "New" affordable gun on today's market ? I would just hate to come back to my truck to find out it had been broken into and i lost a gun that has sentimental value or one i had paid a good bit of money for.

I guess what i am asking is, is there a gun out there available that you can afford to loose should a break in happen ? If so what would you recommend and what kind of experience do you have with that particular firearm ?
I ain't nothing but a simple man, they call me a redneck - I recon that i am. - Charlie Daniels
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  • KENFU1911KENFU1911 Senior Member Posts: 1,052 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    If the probability of me getting a gun stolen was high I think I would rather spend the money trying to find a way to secure the gun inside my car like a welded on lockbox and a car alarm or someting similar...
    Yep.........for a bargain look at the Ruger P series.....the P95 9mm is one of the best new gun deals out there..............

    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/18161/Ruger+P95+9mm+Blue%2C+w+Rail+15+round
    My idea of a warning shot is when the 2nd bad guy watches his 1st buddy go down....
  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Posts: 3,947 Senior Member
    If you leave a bargain gun in your glove box and it's stolen you are still putting a gun in the hands of a scumbag. Take Wambli's advice and find a better way to secure it.
    The answer to 1984 is 1776
  • mythaeusmythaeus Senior Member Posts: 831 Senior Member
    I'm with Wambli here in finding a better method for securing the gun in the car is the primary option. I'm also with BP. Unless it's illegal or not permitted expressively by the owner of a place, you either avoid it or carry. "Inappropriate" should never be a qualifier for leaving your gun in the car.

    Depending your life on "bargain" firearm may not be the best thing to do. That said, one of the more economical, but reliable, good value, and hard to develop personal attachment for is a Glock (or one of its copycats like XD :tooth: ). A decent used one is around $400.

    Al
    "In a controversy, the instant we feel anger we have already ceased striving for the truth and have begun striving for ourselves." - Siddhartha Gautama
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    What everyone else said.

    If you have to leave a handgun in a car, find a good way to secure it, it need not break the bank either, a good locking box bolted or welded securely will do the trick, safes are rated by attack time, the time it takes a determined attack with tools to open.

    A safe or box concealed under a carpet is one good option, a thief is looking for a quick grab, not a job that will take time and get him caught.

    You should expect to pay from $ 300 - $ 500 for a good PD handgun, Makarovs run around $150 or so and are good.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,528 Senior Member
    On those rare occasions I can't take my firearm with me, I've been known to run a cable lock through the trigger guard and around the seat bracket before tucking it under the seat.
    Most car break-ins are hurried affairs that involve grabbing what they can quickly....even if they find the gun, they aren't likely to take the time to unbolt the seat bracket to make off with it...(Note: this works best with an all steel firearm)
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Bham ShooterBham Shooter Senior Member Posts: 609 Senior Member
    BPsniper wrote: »
    Still thinking...........

    We might have believed the first post about you thinking, but not the 2nd.
    Buffco wrote: »
    Waah, waah... GET ON IT, DUDE.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    BPsniper wrote: »
    Hmmmmm, let me think............

    Buckingham Palace ???
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,528 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    How the heck would YOU know? Is there any place on Earth YOU are not allowed to carry? :tooth:

    This is a good thing...he's planning ahead...he's gonna retire.....someday........
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    This got me curious as I spend probably half of my weekends (all of my weekend during deer season) up in Alabama and I'm always carrying while I'm there. I googled the CC laws and I never realized how restrictive and ambiguous they were. (Florida has a reciprical agreement with Alabama so I'm legal) It states that you can't carry at; "any airport, courthouse, or public building that specifically prohibits firearms, or any city, state, or federal facility, or any public gathering such as sporting events, political events, parades, ect..." The last part is the ambiguety. There is also a clause that says the sheriff of your county can sign a letter for you that exempts you from all these restrictions but it has to be renewed every year. I think that I would become good friends with my sheriff.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Just about any new, good quality, gun is going to be more expensive than a used good quality gun, that's just the way it is.

    I'm not very familiar with the shops in Fort Payne, but right now B&B in Gadsden has a few Glock 22s for right around $350. They also have quite a few other good quality used guns for around similar or cheaper prices. Shotgun Sports in Anniston also has quite a few good deals on used guns.

    I'm with the others on this one, if you are concerned about somebody on the Sand Mountain Diet stealing your piece, you need some way to LOCK it , not only in, but TO your vehicle. Some kind of cable or bolted down lock box.
  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    Leave the Pythons and Sigs 210 at home, take a Glock and secure it where it is still at hands reach and any scumbag that steals your car will not find it, it does not take a lot of imagination or resources to do so.
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    I understand the "attachment" idea. I'd be sobbing a lot if somebody stole my 1911s.

    I recommend a Glock. They're reliable, accurate, and very functional. And somewhat interchangable if you lose one.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,633 Senior Member
    Glock. They work well and are utterly replaceable.
    WWJMBD?

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  • SimpleManSimpleMan New Member Posts: 15 New Member
    Thanks for all of your input on this topic guys. I do agree that i need to find a lock box or cable i can attach to the truck. Do any of you have a specific brand of lock box you prefer ? I am thinking that not only would i be able to secure my gun but i might also get into a little fireproof protection as well cause ya never know, a fire could happen. My truck is a super cab so it would be just fine bolted down under my rear seat. I know i can google that just as easy as anyone else but im just curious if any of you have a preference because of personal experience.

    There are a few places i don't like to carry my gun. Obviously any of the places stated above but i often find myself in places where children play in parks and such and if something should go down that called for self defense i would rather club someone or something rather than have the chance of a stray round hitting a child. My gun is never my first resort anyways but i do carry cause i feel safer knowing that i am armed should the need arise.

    Them folks on the Sand Mountain Diet are most of the reason i fear my truck being broken into ! I live on lookout mountain for those of you that know where that is, and its starting to get just as bad over here. I don't know how many times now i have had the police over here filling out a report on stuff that's been stolen. So far they are taking things from outside of my house and getting away with it, which leads me to wonder how long it will be before they decide to go shopping inside the house as well.

    You know the world has gone to hell when you have to carry in your own home ! LOL
    I ain't nothing but a simple man, they call me a redneck - I recon that i am. - Charlie Daniels
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    FYI it's illegal to carry your firearm in certain places, but most likely you can carry your ammo. Remove the magazine when securing your firearm and unload it. If you can't take it with you at least secure it in a separate location that is not easy to find. Unless the thief carries a spare magazine all they have at the time of the break in is a club. It would be unfortunate to interrupt a break in in progress and they have just accessed your gun, loaded, ready to go....

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    BPsniper wrote: »
    I don't think they let guns into England, PERIOD! Isn't that a Communist country?

    :topic:
    I say have a care old chap, you could upset the corgis with talk like that.:wink:
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,528 Senior Member
    SimpleMan wrote: »
    Them folks on the Sand Mountain Diet are most of the reason i fear my truck being broken into !

    Huh? Expand on this please....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,649 Senior Member
    I'm guessing they're referencing tweakers: meth users.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Mountain_%28Alabama%29#Current_issues_and_social_characteristics

    I see...thanks...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • EliEli Senior Member Posts: 3,074 Senior Member
    Earl nailed it. Just a term we use for tweakers around here.

    Sand Mountain (specifically Marshall County) is the Meth capital of 'Bama, and possibly in all of the U.S.

    You can tell when folks are on the Sand Mountain Diet, they not only loose weight, but also teeth, skin, and hair.
  • SimpleManSimpleMan New Member Posts: 15 New Member
    FYI it's illegal to carry your firearm in certain places, but most likely you can carry your ammo. Remove the magazine when securing your firearm and unload it. If you can't take it with you at least secure it in a separate location that is not easy to find. Unless the thief carries a spare magazine all they have at the time of the break in is a club. It would be unfortunate to interrupt a break in in progress and they have just accessed your gun, loaded, ready to go....

    I always remove the mag and round in the chamber and carry them in my back pocket. Your absolutely right, no sense giving a criminal loaded gun. My other reason for doing this is my friends have children so while i am visiting the gun stays locked inside the truck and all the ammo is in my pocket. This way i know that NO accidents can happen even if they manage to unlock the truck some way or another.

    Yup that "Sand Mountain Diet" is referring to the meth heads ! Those folks are crazy enough without the meth over there LOL. The meth use over here on Lookout Mountain is on a rapid rise now days. This town used to be the "sock capital of the world" referring to the sock factories but all the mills have pretty much closed down and moved away. Seems like as soon as everyone's unemployment ran out they started making and selling meth. Either that or stealing anything made of metal and scrapping it. Now if they ain't stealing to feed their families (Metal theft), they are stealing to feed their meth addiction. I don't know why people turn to drugs in hard times, well i guess they think it will ease the pain, but dang find something legal to do that is productive !
    I ain't nothing but a simple man, they call me a redneck - I recon that i am. - Charlie Daniels
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    BPsniper wrote: »
    Forgive me, but not carrying where children frequent is a stupid concept. If stray rounds are your concern, then act accordingly with shot placement, background, distance, or method. Simply discarding the option of a firearm is silly. Just because you have one doesn't mean you must use it. Ones brain must be engaged as well.


    :agree::that:

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,528 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    :agree::that:

    Cactus Shooter speaks words of wisdom here.

    Yep...the absolute safest place for a firearm around kids is in the immediate control of a responsible adult...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    "but dang find something legal to do that is productive ! "

    That requires effort and education and an investment, folks like that are not willing to bother with jumping through hoops and making an effort at making an honest living.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,340 Senior Member
    This is the only time a Hi-point makes sense. About $150, you can make sure it works and as long as it goes bang, you're good to go. Then again they are VERY bulky. For $100 more, you can get a Kel-tec, a Bersa, something not made out of pot metal. For about $300, you can get the Ruger P-series as has been noted, or even the S&W Sigma. A good used revolver should be in that price range and a 357 to boot. Have someone weld a U bolt in an inconspicuous place and padlock the gun to it.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Or for $150 plus shipping and transfer fees you can get a P64 and it's made of real metal... but of course it shoots silly Makarov bullets...

    http://www.jgsales.com/polish-p64-9x18-military-pistols,-blued,-vg-condition.-p-5863.html


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    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    And you can buy a U.S. made barrel replacement, its pinned in place, and shoot the more expensive and less potent .380 acp round.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Where can you get a .380 barrel for a p64? I want to know!

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • SimpleManSimpleMan New Member Posts: 15 New Member
    Ok yeah they 2x4 was pretty good LOL. That and rocks are always an option. The place where the kids are is at a friends house and he has asked me to not carry in his house. His wife thinks guns are the devil or something. Saves him a lot of argument if i just lock it in the truck with no ammo. Then there is a few parks close to his house as well, Personally if it was my choice i would think someone with a gun would be a benefit to the protection of my children if the person carrying knows how to use the gun properly. I agree that around children the best place for a firearm is in the possession of a responsible adult. But you also have to honor your friends requests when your at there house and around there children.

    Y'all do have some good advise here. I agree with most of it and have took in a lot and learned from it. I am not new to firearms as i have used them since i was old enough to as a teen. What i have learned in the last year is that i AM NOT well trained ! My step dad who taught me about firearms and firearms safety was not a good teacher and i picked up some really bad habits. Now i am trying to learn the proper way to do things and coming here is helping a good bit. There is a lot of good info here and plenty of good people to answer questions. Thanks for providing that Knowledge guys !
    I ain't nothing but a simple man, they call me a redneck - I recon that i am. - Charlie Daniels
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I would not visit a friend like that, he would have to visit Me, or we would meet at the range or somewhere else, when I was a LEO, I always carried, I do not recall visiting anyone asking Me to disarm, except the times I had to interview some incarcerated fool.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    "What i have learned in the last year is that i AM NOT well trained ! My step dad who taught me about firearms and firearms safety was not a good teacher and i picked up some really bad habits"

    That is why I appreciate the type of basic firearms training one receives in law enforcement.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
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