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Sharc42Sharc42 Posts: 2 New Member
Licensed CCW in Illinois.  I've started off body carry.  
If a situation presents that would not justify lethal force, such as just being outnumbered by a group, what is the proper response if they ask for the bag that contains the weapon?

It seems to me, turning over the bag with the weapon in it would be bad.  But, I'm not sure if drawing would be justified in the same situation.

I can see this being an issue for women who carry in a purse or other bag, but I'm male if that changes the thinking.

In my mind, a situation where just turning over a wallet would end the confrontation is complicated due to  the firearm being not on the body.

Answers

  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    edited April 10 #2
    Hard fast rules get broke in a crisis. I figure its best to be killed by someone elses gun than mine.

    Of course some will valiantly rally against off body in favor of on person.

    Either way, things go wrong and get sideways fast when trouble starts.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 26,509 Senior Member
    edited April 10 #3
    I often carry in a Kellty Sling Bag. I carry more than just a firearm in that bag. 
    I’m not giving it up. Period. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,735 Senior Member
    edited April 10 #4
    Years back, I had a friend, who despite my counsel, insisted on carrying in her purse...One day a guy grabbed her purse and tried to make off with it, realizing her pistol was in the purse...she wouldn't let go.....the short story is that she took a beating that put her in the hospital...
    When I visited her, she told me that the worst part of the incident was that she had armed a criminal...

    Needless to say...I am not an advocate of  purse carry....there are many other options available for a woman to carry on their person...

    That being said, you may have to modify the way you dress in order to "dress around the gun"
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • AlleyCatAlleyCat Posts: 480 Member
    Sharc42 said:
    Licensed CCW in Illinois.  I've started off body carry.  
    If a situation presents that would not justify lethal force, such as just being outnumbered by a group, what is the proper response if they ask for the bag that contains the weapon?

    It seems to me, turning over the bag with the weapon in it would be bad.  But, I'm not sure if drawing would be justified in the same situation.

    I can see this being an issue for women who carry in a purse or other bag, but I'm male if that changes the thinking.

    In my mind, a situation where just turning over a wallet would end the confrontation is complicated due to  the firearm being not on the body.

    To my way of thinking all that makes as much sense as this;



    It seems to me, turning over the bag with the weapon in it would be bad.

    How many times has this happened to you?

    Keep your personal defence weapon on your person.

    Carry more than one wallet, but keep separate from your firearm.

    If in doubt of concealed carry self-defense tactical situations may I direct you to here;


    At the very last resort, please carry a very sharp knife but not in your bag.
    And make some attempt to leave  your assailants DNA on your body, for the authorities to trace.














  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 22,624 Senior Member
    edited April 10 #6
    I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on the internet. Since laws vary so much by location, best answer I can give, is to suggest you ask a lawyer that knows the specific laws in your state/area.

    Something that might be 100% legal and carry no repercussions here in my state, might land you a long prison sentence in your area
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,580 Senior Member
    edited April 10 #7
    Why carry one when you can carry two. One on and one off body. Clint Smith was fond of saying, "2 is 1 and 1 is none." If for whatever reason your primary/Go-To fails (or taken away) at least you're still armed.
    If you're genuinely worried about losing your Carry bag, carry on your body.
    If you're genuinely worried about multiple gang-like attacks, you're in the wrong area. Leave immediately.
    Seek legal counsel to familiarize yourself with the lethal force laws in your area.
    If a situation presents that would not justify lethal force, such as just being outnumbered by a group,
    Btw, a large enough group can beat you to death without weapons pretty quick -- just saying.
    Good luck.

    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,749 Senior Member
    There are times when OBC is the only option for some - including me. Like it or not...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 26,509 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    Why carry one when you can carry two. One on and one off body. Clint Smith was fond of saying, "2 is 1 and 1 is none." If for whatever reason your primary/Go-To fails (or taken away) at least you're still armed.
    If you're genuinely worried about losing your Carry bag, carry on your body.
    If you're genuinely worried about multiple gang-like attacks, you're in the wrong area. Leave immediately.
    Seek legal counsel to familiarize yourself with the lethal force laws in your area.
    If a situation presents that would not justify lethal force, such as just being outnumbered by a group,
    Btw, a large enough group can beat you to death without weapons pretty quick -- just saying.
    Good luck.



    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    When considering armed prepared strategy. One should consider the evolution of the handgun. The advent of being seperated from one's weapon or rifle being something undesirable. A handgun that's small enough to be carried on the body at all times solving the obvious problem. An ideal perhaps periodically beyond reach. But an ideal just the same.
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