Remington long guns

ojr

If there is something about this on here about it , I've either  missed it or just had a man look so I apologise if it's been asked but.

As we are a little behind the times over here in the colonies I'm only now reading reports of Remington gearing up to make guns again starting with shotguns and starting with the 870,
It this a fact or pure speculation?
Being the owner of more than one Remington shotgun it is certainly in my interest that they get back to producing these again.

PFD

I read about a flap between the union employees and the new owners wanting to be rehired and have the old union agreements be honored.

Sounds like they're at least considering it.

Uncle Fester

https://www.fieldandstream.com/guns/remington-reveals-plans-for-new-guns/

It looks like they may finally be abandoning the lowest common denominator build quality.

Bigslug

Uncle Fester said:

https://www.fieldandstream.com/guns/remington-reveals-plans-for-new-guns/

It looks like they may finally be abandoning the lowest common denominator build quality.

I saw the writing on the wall when I learned one the of the improvements to the 870's ability to feed reliably under the combination of recoil and rapid cycling was to increase the length of the spring in a 4-shot magazine from 16" to 22". . .but only the Law Enforcement line got the 22" springs - presumably because some bean counter thought that putting the extra 6" of coil into a hunting or HD gun was somehow going to break them.

Well guys, it did, but not the way you thought. . .along with the plastic trigger housings. . .the cast extractors. . .the Express magazine spring retaining system. . .the Express finish. . . 

shotgunshooter3

I think it was Elk Creek (if I'm wrong, sorry) who said that if Remington simplified their lineup, and increased the quality, they'd have a solid position to stand on. I tend to agree. Give me a QUALITY, no frills sporter Remington 700 in the $750-$1000 range and I'm interested personally.

Keep the bargain basement quality to bargain basement model series.

GunNut

shotgunshooter3 said:

I think it was Elk Creek (if I'm wrong, sorry) who said that if Remington simplified their lineup, and increased the quality, they'd have a solid position to stand on. I tend to agree. Give me a QUALITY, no frills sporter Remington 700 in the $750-$1000 range and I'm interested personally.

Keep the bargain basement quality to bargain basement model series.

Bingo!  Find a niche and be the best.  It’s THAT easy.

Elk creek

I did say that. “What ever you do do it well, don’t half ass everything just to get  it done” may dad said that. That seems to apply to Remington too. I read the article it sounds like that’s what they plan to do. Too bad the model 7 is history though......

Bigslug

shotgunshooter3 said:

I think it was Elk Creek (if I'm wrong, sorry) who said that if Remington simplified their lineup, and increased the quality, they'd have a solid position to stand on. I tend to agree. Give me a QUALITY, no frills sporter Remington 700 in the $750-$1000 range and I'm interested personally.

Keep the bargain basement quality to bargain basement model series.

The irony - and I will say this loudly and often - is that the 870 and the early ancestors of the 700 were introduced in the early '50's as the cheap option to what Winchester was making at the time.

Even the GOOD 870's stake and rivet in the shell latches and ejectors.  The pre-plastic trigger guards were aluminum, and if the barrel retaining ring hasn't always been MIM, they discarded the real steel pretty early on.

The 700 has never used steel bottom metal from the factory unless maybe it was a custom shop item.  The receiver is made from round bar stock with as few mill steps as possible.  The recoil lug is a washer sandwiched between barrel and receiver.  Any incarnation of the trigger has been a sheet metal housing, and the safety has never had any method of blocking the firing pin.

And I have no problem with any of that as it took advantage of the mass production techniques learned during WWII to turn out a solidly functional piece at an affordable price that could still look good if you did a few minor things.  What they did for 20-30 years was make the cheap gun even cheaper.  I fear their "return to quality" will be to pitch the early 1960's bargain as today's "premium goods".  If they want me to give them a thousand bucks for a rifle, first they'll need to find their old tooling necessary to put an M1917 Enfield action in the middle of it.  I doubt that's in the cards.

41magnut

As far as ammo production, SIL scored a Remington 100 round value pack of 9MM at a LGS. He didn't say the $$ and I didn't think to ask. 

First time I've seen Remington branded ammo actually on the shelf. 

Bigslug

41magnut said:

As far as ammo production, SIL scored a Remington 100 round value pack of 9MM at a LGS. He didn't say the $$ and I didn't think to ask. 

First time I've seen Remington branded ammo actually on the shelf. 

The "Remington" ammo plant is now owned by Vista Outdoors - same outfit that owns Federal.  What that is going to entail will need to be seen by folks shooting the product.  The reputation of the Remington pistol ammo was that it was pretty dirty stuff; the rifle brass was a bit thinner than others; and the .22 "Thunderbolt" rounds were commonly nicknamed "Thunderduds".

It makes about ZERO sense to me that the Remington name stays attached to the ammo, when the guns will be coming from a different entity entirely - - -if indeed the guns ever come at all.  If I was running either the gun or the ammo plant, I wouldn't want my company's name and logo associated with the production of goods I had no control over.

Corporate business shenanigans. . .Shakespeare was right about the lawyers. . .