Does anybody here question the legitimacy of Joe Biden as President?

GermanShepherd

Still some people today claim the election was stolen. Do you not recognize Joe Biden as the 46th American President? Is he something of a Commander-in-Question? If you were to ask me, I would say I honestly don't know. There's been so much controversy regarding this since November of 2020 it's hard to really say.

What I do believe is that this Joe Biden person and his party cronies are a threat to Our Bill of Rights (especially one such Amendment that is a low even number) and has said those hateful un-American words that Our Constitution "is not absolute".

earlyagain

Aspersions on the legitimacy of elections. Myopic focus on the next election at the exclusion of anything beyond. End of the world predictions.

These are all important tactics of politicians, tv and radio pundants, foreign powers seeking global influence, and even people wanting attention.

For everyone else. They're possible roads to short term gain at the expense of long term prosperity.

GermanShepherd

I think the well-being and future of the American Constitution and the well-being and future of the American People right now is even more important than "who" or "what" is on the Hill or in TWH right now. Some think the future looks bleak.

Saying Our Constitution is not absolute seems treasonous.

bullsi1911

Legally, it’s not an either-or decision.  Constitutionally, it is up to the states to select who the states electoral votes go to.

Do I think that there were irregularities in the voting in certain critical states?  Absolutely.  There is pretty damning evidence- statistical, video, testimonials, etc...- that leads most thinking people to be pretty damn sure that SOMETHING untoward happened in those states elections.

BUT.... once the states certified the results and placed the electoral votes, then it was over.  Biden became President. 

...and here we are.

JerryBobCo

We've already had this discussion.  Perhaps you should learn to use the search feature.

GermanShepherd

JerryBobCo said:

We've already had this discussion.  Perhaps you should learn to use the search feature.

I wasn't even aware of that.

Just for fun I ran my heading in the search bar as follows:

Does anybody here question the legitimacy of Joe Biden as President?

1,000 or more threads came up but apparently none of them (except mine) address the legitimacy of Biden as President.

Make_My_Day

I don't doubt the reality of what happened, but I do question the method. There are many things that happened that lead me to distrust the process.

zorba

Everybody knows there was rampant fraud - even the dems. Whether or not there was enough to throw the election is up in the air at the moment, but I'm of the *opinion* that there was. There's a "Not My President" sticker on the back of my Jeep.

JerryBobCo

zorba said:

Everybody knows there was rampant fraud - even the dems. Whether or not there was enough to throw the election is up in the air at the moment, but I'm of the *opinion* that there was. There's a "Not My President" sticker on the back of my Jeep.

Zorba, I know for a hard fact that you're not the only one in this forum who believes that.

earlyagain

Everybody knows......
Experts say.......
The latest polls show......

The country is nearing majority vaccination. Started by one President, completed by another.

Yet the sirens of overtone continue to whale. 

For the benifit of whom?
If they were suddenly unplugged. Yesterday's background sound would directly reflect today's.

Justsomedude

I dont recognize any person being above the next. None of us asked to be here and none of us signed or agreed to terms of service before coming here.

GermanShepherd

For now we might just consider Joe Biden a PSO. President-Shaped Organism. Serious bicyclists consider cheap department-store bikes "BSO", Bicycle-Shaped Objects. The term Shaped implies phony or inferior in quality.

earlyagain

That's actually funny.
PSO
I'll go along with that.

GermanShepherd

PSP = President-Shaped Primate??

POS might even be more fitting

Bigslug

GermanShepherd said:

For now we might just consider Joe Biden a PSO. President-Shaped Organism. Serious bicyclists consider cheap department-store bikes "BSO", Bicycle-Shaped Objects. The term Shaped implies phony or inferior in quality.

I've said this previously - the Primary Election process that is SUPPOSED to allow the cream to rise to the top instead gives us the turds that will not flush.  And this applies equally to either side.

Perhaps we need to question the legitimacy of the American VOTER.

mitdr774

Bigslug said:

I've said this previously - the Primary Election process that is SUPPOSED to allow the cream to rise to the top instead gives us the turds that will not flush.  And this applies equally to either side.

Perhaps we need to question the legitimacy of the American VOTER.

The process works as its intended to for the most part.  The problem lies with the voter pool.  You dont get full participation and the majority of those that do participate do not bother with any research of their own before making a decision.  I suspect the majority of voters put more thought into what shirt they are going to put on than who they are going to vote for.  Being essentially locked in a two party system also hampers options for good candidates.  Lack of research on their own, two party system, and fixating on a couple items tends to push the "electable" options to the extremes of the political spectrum.  We could have done a lot worse than Biden.

Varmintmist

I dont know about other states, but I know that the PA election was unlawful.

There are about 200k more votes than voters as per the Sec of commonwealths website before she took it down. This in itself is not abnormal. The law REQUIRES a reconciliation of those numbers before the vote is certified. That didnt happen. There are 2x+ as many votes as the margin of victory.

That isnt even bringing up the sworn, under penalty of perjury, testimony's of a lot of people, particularly a truck driver who hauled filled in ballots from NY to a PO near Lancaster. Unhooked the truck, went inside, when he came out the trailer was gone. Stuff like that all over the place with extra malfeasance in the cities.

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Joey B. is the person occupying the office of the president

GermanShepherd

OOO = Oval Office Occupant

BTC = Big-Turd-in-Chief

earlyagain

GermanShepherd said:

OOO = Oval Office Occupant

BTC = Big-Turd-in-Chief

The office of the POTUS represents the people. Its our right to be critical of the occupant. Being contemptuous of that occupant is symbolic of contempt for the citizens of the USA. That type of contempt says more about the person displaying it than the person elected President.

Conspiracies to defraud the election remain theory. Unsubstantiated, unproven, speculation, and conjecture. 

Listing known anomalies, and discrepancies carries the weight of information.

Espousing, and parroting vague generalities is more telling of the speaker than the content.

zorba

mitdr774 said:

 We could have done a lot worse than Biden.

Like Harris.

Varmintmist

Where were the abnormalities unproven?

Please name the case in PA that was tossed on the merits. I will wait.

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To save you the time, exactly zero got a fair hearing of the merits on any case in any court. FYI, in PA, the PA supreme court has exactly no legal input in cases of election problems. It is in our constitution that any abnormalities will be heard by a court made up of the legislatures choosing. Yet they tossed a case with prejudice, after really stretching to figure out how to do so. That was after they pulled the case up from a judge who had said that the plaintiffs were likely to win on the merits.

PA has a out of control Scourt and has for a while. A few years ago they decided that they didnt like the redistricting plan the legislature came up with, so they wrote their own. This election they LITERALLY rewrote the manner and time of the election while the election was in progress.

I did NOT list anomalies, I posted the facts, the law, and what occurred. Joey B. may have won PA. Then again, Trump may have. Since the law written by the legislature and listed in the constitution was not followed, you cant make a case that either one is legitimate based on facts. That would be like shooting your wife in the garage and a judge who didnt like your wife changing the law to make it legal to shoot wives in garages, then being the same judge to toss the case against you because he made the law.

PA legislature has no backbone, although it looks like they are starting to grow one.

earlyagain

In your post's' there's some facts to be interpreted.

There's other posts in the thread that are conspicuously absent of fact or information.

Varmintmist

Which ones?

The PA constitution that says that the leg has the sole authority to hold hearings on things pertaining to election law? The US constitution that says the state leg is the only authority that may make election law? Act 77 which allowed mail in voting against the PA constitution (statute does not trump the constitution so its ) which the Scourt which extended the mail in voting during the election?

Here is the theory... I guess Art 7 sec 13 PA state constitution

Text of Section 13:

Contested Elections

The trial and determination of contested elections of electors of President and Vice-President, members of the General Assembly, and of all public officers, whether State, judicial, municipal or local, and contests involving questions submitted to the electors at any election shall be by the courts of law, or by one or more of the law judges thereof. The General Assembly shall, by general law, designate the courts and judges by whom the several classes of election contests shall be tried and regulate the manner of trial and all matters incident thereto; but no such law assigning jurisdiction, or regulating its exercise, shall apply to any contest arising out of an election held before its passage.

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Notice SHALL twice. But I guess that is a theory that PAScourt overstepped again.

The Sec of the Commonwealths govt website that stated 200K more votes until she was questioned and it disappeared that day post certification? You can interpret that fact... The law that states that the voter errors must be reconciled prior to certification?

The PAScourt rewriting law while the election was ongoing? It would be a conspiracy theory to ignore that happened.

Interpret away. You can have an opinion, but you dont get to have your own facts. I have never started on about foreign countries changing voting machines. The only things I have ever posted are facts as best they are known. If the persons in Erie PA who worked in the post office and say they saw ballots being redated, are lying, then since they swore under oath they were telling the truth, how many of them or the others have been convicted of perjury?

Tell you what. You show me which court adjudicated against the Kelly case that brought up that act 77 was unconstitutional, ON THE MERITS, and we can talk. That is the one that the PAScourt pulled from a judge after she put it on the docket to be heard. The petitioners were denied their right to redress grievances by the PAscourt and SCOTUS.

Otherwise you are just pointing fingers and yelling conspiracy theory.  Explain away the turds in the punch bowl with a better argument than "If you dont think like I do, you are anti American".

earlyagain

Some of that is putting words in my statements that aren't there. And redirecting the focus of my statements from content quoted in my post to other posts not quoted.

I alluded in a previous post that there's a distinction between listing facts and information and not. It was meant as a postitve acknowledgement of your previous post specifically. 

The subject here has encompassed more than the points of contention in PA..
Regardless, there's no official conclusion of failure of due process there.

GermanShepherd

It seems like the OOO and the VP-in-Question have a serious agenda to push for hard-core gun control like another "assault weapons" ban among other things. The OOO did swear to uphold the Constitution I do believe. I did not watch "Inauguration" Day on TV but I'll assume Joey B. took that oath.

earlyagain

Yes.
That's generally some portion of the left agenda.

Depending on the shape of future events. It could also be their undoing. If the right has an agenda of mass appeal. 

Make_My_Day

mitdr774 said:We could have done a lot worse than Biden.

I think we actually got the worst, because Biden is a receptacle for every communist idea that the left can conjure up. He has no mind of his own and is willing to sacrifice the country for his own glorification. Biden wants to be known for topping FDR in his Progressivism.

Make_My_Day

knitepoet said:

Do I want the president to do poorly? NO

This is the only thing I disagree with. Biden doing poorly is a benefit, because we may actually get rid of this asshole sooner rather than later. I want the sonovabitch to go down in flames. The worse he is, the less he will be able to accomplish (in terms of left-wing swing).

Varmintmist

I dont want Joey B. to do poorly. I do hope his agenda fails miserably.

bisley

We need Joe Biden to do what he has been doing for 50 years ...to wake up the 'sleeping giant'.

The American people have always required some sort of catastrophe to unite and organize a sensible solution to a seemingly  overwhelming threat to liberty.

Biden is that catastrophy...in spades.

RugerFan

Well said!!