If I remember this rifle is one you had rebarreled!! Make sure there's no burr left over from chambering. This is where a bore scope comes in handy!! You would see a scratch on the fired case.
THIS^^^^^^^
Yeppers, like I said, I need one because around here I don't know where to find one without driving 50 miles to my gun smith. But one thing, if I get one I want to learn to use it to where it does me some good, you know, what to look for, what's good, what's bad. I'm workin' on it.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Good to see you using a better caliber these days. 😁
Hey zee, I got three 7mms, I got one "Brand X" . But believe it or not, the other forum I go to voted that Brand X the best elk rifle of all. Even I voted for something else.LOL!
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
I've been busy with other things. We needed a roof on our lodge building so we had a fund raiser so I was busy for about 3 months with that. We made $13,000 so I've been drunk on success, LOL! Also been having computer and phone problems. My computer key board crapped out and I couldn't get on here with my phone. Too cheap to buy a new computer I finally got a key board with a USB plug and that's how I'm here now.
I forgot to ask, did y'all have a shoot at teaches in October? He told me to come but that was right before I started having problems.
Nope - no shoot in October, and now they've decided to discontinue the shoot altogether as its become "just too much" - which SUCKS, but I do understand. We also lost TennMike to cancer, which also sucks.
Hell, normally I would have been leaving tomorrow AM to drive up to the shoot!
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
I think roughness/fouling in the chamber may not be the issue, but it's a logical place to start. A few spins with a .45 brush and some solvent will likely do the trick if that is the problem.
Also worth tearing down the bolt for a cleaning and inspection of it and the action cam surfaces.
Is it scoped? Check for scope base screws protruding into the locking lug recess and bolt raceway. Seen it before.
I think roughness/fouling in the chamber may not be the issue, but it's a logical place to start. A few spins with a .45 brush and some solvent will likely do the trick if that is the problem.
Also worth tearing down the bolt for a cleaning and inspection of it and the action cam surfaces.
Is it scoped? Check for scope base screws protruding into the locking lug recess and bolt raceway. Seen it before.
Well, that was maybe a little exaggeration on my part. I don't think it was really getting any worse but I was getting more pissed with each shot so it felt like it was getting worse.I'lll give polishing the chamber a shot and if that doesn't do it I'll check those scope issues. That's getting me curious now. I may just take the base mounts off and shoot it.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
I think you're on to something good there Ron. I've even heard some normally hard core .270 haters bragg on it. Ya know, I want another AR and I might just do it in 6.8 SPC. When I first heard about it I was subconciously comparing it to the original 6.8 but I read a military report on the thing and for what it is, in an AR platform it's a pretty remarkable round.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Thanks to everyone of you for commenting. It's been an enjoyable morning reading your comments and catching up. And I'm not dispelling any of the comments and I will refer back to this thread as I go through the process of fixing it. It's great to be back.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Thanks Antonio. It's a commercial 98 made by Zastava. Also, the barrel is new, never been fired before me. I bought the barrel from Mile High Shooter.
Also, I can open the bolt without hitting it but it's pretty hard. I
m going to give polishing the chamber a whirl and if it's still sticky It's going back to the smith.
BTW what is Ed Red? What's the recipe? Soundsw interesting.
Also, I can cycle ammo ejecting the fired and chambering new, it's just too hard to lift the bolt for comfort.
The ammo is Selliier and Bellot 140 Gr. Round Nose. It looks like quality ammo. Shouldn't be sticking. But something I noticed was the spent brass wasn't real shiney for once fired condition. It looks like the chamber might be rough. Anyway, thanks fpr cpmmenting and tell me more about Ed Red.
Here's the formula and mixing instructions, copied from the web. We can´t make it here since Kerosene is a VERY controlled substance 'cause it's used by drug cartels as a component to make cocaine (They have substitued it long ago with common gasoline but the restriction is still in place; friend of mine has a permit to use little, registered amounts for industrial use at his dye factroy and saves a few ounces to make it, some of which he gaves to me in spare small gun nitrosolvent bottles):
CONTENTS: Ed's Red Bore Cleaner
- 1 part Dexron ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.
- 1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1
- 1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits
- CAS #64741-49-9, or substitute "Stoddard Solvent", CAS #8052-41-3, or equivalent.
- 1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1.
(Optional 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, or OK to substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store)
MIXING INSTRUCTIONS:
Mix outdoors, in good ventilation. Use a clean 1 gallon metal, chemical-resistant, heavy gage PET or PVC plastic container. NFPA approved plastic gasoline storage containers are OK. Do NOT use HDPE, which is permeable, because the acetone will slowly evaporate. Acetone in ER will attack HDPE over time, causing the container to collapse, making a heck of a mess!
Add the ATF first. Use the empty container to measure the otherainer to measure the other components, so that it is thoroughly rinsed. If you incorporate the lanolin into the mixture, melt this carefully in a double boiler, taking precautions against fire. Pour the melted lanolin it into a larger container, rinsing the lanolin container with the bore cleaner mix, and stirring until it is all dissolved. I recommend diverting up to 4 ozs. per quart of the 50-50 ATF/kerosene mix to use as "ER-compatible" gun oil. This can be done without impairing the effectiveness of the remaining mix. Label and safety warnings follow:
FIREARM BORE CLEANER
CAUTION: FLAMMABLE MIXTURE -- HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED -- KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN
Contents: petroleum distillates, surfactants, organometallic antioxidants and acetone.
1. Flammable mixture, keep away from heat, sparks or flame.
2. FIRST AID, If swallowed DO NOT induce vomiting, call physician immediately. In case of eye contact immediately flush thoroughly with water and call a physician. For skin contact wash thoroughly.
3. Use with adequate ventilation. Avoid breathing vapors or spray mist. It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with itsonsistent with its labeling. Reports have associated repeated and prolonged occupational overexposure to solvents with permanent brain and nervous system damage. If using in closed armory vaults lacking forced air ventilation wear respiratory protection meeting NIOSH TC23C or equivalent. Keep container tightly closed when not in use.
I'd qualify this formula as a "super Hoppe's N°9"; if it has been able to cut the crud in our service rifles, it can clean anything. We've used it to return almost unsearviceable from poor cleaning FALs & Mausers back to proper working condition.
My friends have been experiencing problems with some new Sellier & Bellot rifle ammo. At least 30-30 cases have sometimes been splitting in assorted guns (Marlins, Winchesters, etc.) or will crack after the 1st. mild reload use, so that might be an issue. As far as I know PPU makes good vintage military caliber rounds so it might be worthwhile to try them.
At least the bolt-action (98) Zastavas imported new some years ago we've seen & tested here were strong, reliable shooters. Friend of mine has a leftie .308 and a 30-06 and they work perfectly with anything you fed them with, including crummy .30 WWII surplus, Chinese 7,62 steel-cased FMJs, local production, reloads, etc.
You can also polish the chamber by adding some fine valve polishing paste to a cotton dab in a cleaning rod and turn it SLOWLY with a power drill or Dremel; clean, test and repeat if necessary. Usually after the 1st. try if there's any minuscule burr sausing the problem, it should go away and work right.
If any of these tips doesn't work, since it's a new barrel you might even need a little tweak with a finishing chamber reamer though. Hope not since gunsmith charges aren't cheap.
Welcome back...check your bedding and free float the barrel. Crocus cloth won't remove a burr, it's just polish it up, which may help. I would suspect the bedding for initial accuracy problems.
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
All good advice has already been given. Just wanted to say welcome back!
Thank you Enzo, You are a class act. With you around I'm glad to be back.
I’m glad your back too. Did I mention I bought a .270? 😁😁😁
And she’s a shooter!
OMG! Praise the Lord, Youve seen the light! Man, that things accurate! You can knock the heads off those squirrels with that! No more having to follow a blood trail. (Do squirrels leave a blood trail?)
Seriously, beautiful rifle.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Welcome back...check your bedding and free float the barrel. Crocus cloth won't remove a burr, it's just polish it up, which may help. I would suspect the bedding for initial accuracy problems.
Welcome back...check your bedding and free float the barrel. Crocus cloth won't remove a burr, it's just polish it up, which may help. I would suspect the bedding for initial accuracy problems.
Nice to be back, thanks. The stock was one that Mile High Shooter threw in with the deal on the barrel. I think it was probably one that fit a military Mauser of some sort but it didn't fit this commercial 98. So it was a bedded job from the get go. It's bedded tight and judging by the 4 shots I took it shoots pretty good. And yes, crocus is for fine polishing but it will make it smoothe as duck butter. But I'll probably try the .45 Cal. brush first and see if that does it. If not, I'm not messing with it. After reading everything here I think It's going back to the smith and let him figure it out.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
All good advice has already been given. Just wanted to say welcome back!
Thank you Enzo, You are a class act. With you around I'm glad to be back.
I’m glad your back too. Did I mention I bought a .270? 😁😁😁
And she’s a shooter!
OMG! Praise the Lord, Youve seen the light! Man, that things accurate! You can knock the heads off those squirrels with that! No more having to follow a blood trail. (Do squirrels leave a blood trail?)
Seriously, beautiful rifle.
Thanks! To be 100% truthful I bough the rifle with the idea of re-barreling. BUT then, stupidly enough, I took it to the range with a couple of boxes of oooooold .270 Remington Core-Lok and Winchester silver box stuff and damn!!! Now I CAN'T re-barrel. Nothing that shoots that well should be messed with. Now I'm going to have to find an angry squirrel this winter...
LOL! Yeah I know what you mean. I was like you were about .270s with 7mms. Back in the 80s my dad bought a 7 Mag and I hated that gun. I had tried to get him to buy a .270 because I had a die and load data and to tell the truth the only 7mm that appealed to me was the 7-08 because I envisioned buying one in a model 7 Rem. and the .280 because I built one on a whim. When my dad died in 2007 he had willed his Model 700 7 Mag to my oldest nephew and I didn't care. But fast forward to 2011. I was wanting something to take elk hunting and I was looking for a doner to rebarrel to .308 Norma. I bid on a Savage 110 that happened to be chambered in 7 mag. and I won the bidding. Well just after I got the rifle at my FFL and took it home I was at a meeting and I was telling some guys about my new purchase and plans when one of them told me he wished he would have known I was looking for a .30 Magnum because he had a Mark V Weatherby chambered in .300 WBY Mag he wanted to sell. Well it just so happened that a .300 WBY Mark V had been on my bucket list for years and he told me to make him an offer so I bought it for $1000. Then I had a 7 mag I didn't really want. That is til I shot it. I bought me some Weaver style claw mounts and mounted an old Weaver K-6 scope I happened to have and sighted it in and with Factory 150 grain Remington 3 shots were nearly touching. Now I was hooked. Then a few years later and I've got a 7x57. I'm hooked on 7mms too. That damn 7 Mag is about the most accurate rifle in my inventory.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Good to see you using a better caliber these days. 😁
Hey zee, I got three 7mms, I got one "Brand X" . But believe it or not, the other forum I go to voted that Brand X the best elk rifle of all. Even I voted for something else.LOL!
Why would you hang out in such a sleazy establishment?
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
Good to see you using a better caliber these days. 😁
Hey zee, I got three 7mms, I got one "Brand X" . But believe it or not, the other forum I go to voted that Brand X the best elk rifle of all. Even I voted for something else.LOL!
Why would you hang out in such a sleazy establishment?
Good to see you using a better caliber these days. 😁
Hey zee, I got three 7mms, I got one "Brand X" . But believe it or not, the other forum I go to voted that Brand X the best elk rifle of all. Even I voted for something else.LOL!
Why would you hang out in such a sleazy establishment?
Have you ever heard that ol' country song, "I like ma women just a little on the trashy side,"
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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Yeppers, like I said, I need one because around here I don't know where to find one without driving 50 miles to my gun smith. But one thing, if I get one I want to learn to use it to where it does me some good, you know, what to look for, what's good, what's bad. I'm workin' on it.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Yeah yeah yeah, hey I got three rifles chambered in 7mm, I got one chambered in Brand X, LOL!
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Hey zee, I got three 7mms, I got one "Brand X" . But believe it or not, the other forum I go to voted that Brand X the best elk rifle of all. Even I voted for something else.LOL!
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Thank you Enzo, You are a class act. With you around I'm glad to be back.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Now how did I know you were gonna say that? LOL! Thanks NN.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Good to be back Unc! You been keeping these Yaehoos in line?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Well, that was maybe a little exaggeration on my part. I don't think it was really getting any worse but I was getting more pissed with each shot so it felt like it was getting worse.I'lll give polishing the chamber a shot and if that doesn't do it I'll check those scope issues. That's getting me curious now. I may just take the base mounts off and shoot it.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
I think you're on to something good there Ron. I've even heard some normally hard core .270 haters bragg on it. Ya know, I want another AR and I might just do it in 6.8 SPC. When I first heard about it I was subconciously comparing it to the original 6.8 but I read a military report on the thing and for what it is, in an AR platform it's a pretty remarkable round.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
CONTENTS: Ed's Red Bore Cleaner
- 1 part Dexron ATF, GM Spec. D-20265 or later.
- 1 part Kerosene - deodorized, K1
- 1 part Aliphatic Mineral Spirits
- CAS #64741-49-9, or substitute "Stoddard Solvent", CAS #8052-41-3, or equivalent.
- 1 part Acetone, CAS #67-64-1.
(Optional 1 lb. of Lanolin, Anhydrous, USP per gallon, or OK to substitute Lanolin, Modified, Topical Lubricant, from the drug store)
MIXING INSTRUCTIONS:
Mix outdoors, in good ventilation. Use a clean 1 gallon metal, chemical-resistant, heavy gage PET or PVC plastic container. NFPA approved plastic gasoline storage containers are OK. Do NOT use HDPE, which is permeable, because the acetone will slowly evaporate. Acetone in ER will attack HDPE over time, causing the container to collapse, making a heck of a mess!
Add the ATF first. Use the empty container to measure the otherainer to measure the other components, so that it is thoroughly rinsed. If you incorporate the lanolin into the mixture, melt this carefully in a double boiler, taking precautions against fire. Pour the melted lanolin it into a larger container, rinsing the lanolin container with the bore cleaner mix, and stirring until it is all dissolved. I recommend diverting up to 4 ozs. per quart of the 50-50 ATF/kerosene mix to use as "ER-compatible" gun oil. This can be done without impairing the effectiveness of the remaining mix. Label and safety warnings follow:
FIREARM BORE CLEANER
CAUTION: FLAMMABLE MIXTURE -- HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED -- KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN
Contents: petroleum distillates, surfactants, organometallic antioxidants and acetone.
1. Flammable mixture, keep away from heat, sparks or flame.
2. FIRST AID, If swallowed DO NOT induce vomiting, call physician immediately. In case of eye contact immediately flush thoroughly with water and call a physician. For skin contact wash thoroughly.
3. Use with adequate ventilation. Avoid breathing vapors or spray mist. It is a violation of Federal law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with itsonsistent with its labeling. Reports have associated repeated and prolonged occupational overexposure to solvents with permanent brain and nervous system damage. If using in closed armory vaults lacking forced air ventilation wear respiratory protection meeting NIOSH TC23C or equivalent. Keep container tightly closed when not in use.
I'd qualify this formula as a "super Hoppe's N°9"; if it has been able to cut the crud in our service rifles, it can clean anything. We've used it to return almost unsearviceable from poor cleaning FALs & Mausers back to proper working condition.
My friends have been experiencing problems with some new Sellier & Bellot rifle ammo. At least 30-30 cases have sometimes been splitting in assorted guns (Marlins, Winchesters, etc.) or will crack after the 1st. mild reload use, so that might be an issue. As far as I know PPU makes good vintage military caliber rounds so it might be worthwhile to try them.
At least the bolt-action (98) Zastavas imported new some years ago we've seen & tested here were strong, reliable shooters. Friend of mine has a leftie .308 and a 30-06 and they work perfectly with anything you fed them with, including crummy .30 WWII surplus, Chinese 7,62 steel-cased FMJs, local production, reloads, etc.
You can also polish the chamber by adding some fine valve polishing paste to a cotton dab in a cleaning rod and turn it SLOWLY with a power drill or Dremel; clean, test and repeat if necessary. Usually after the 1st. try if there's any minuscule burr sausing the problem, it should go away and work right.
If any of these tips doesn't work, since it's a new barrel you might even need a little tweak with a finishing chamber reamer though. Hope not since gunsmith charges aren't cheap.
Glad you're back!
"The Un-Tactical"
Oh yes of course I feel loved, about like a Black Mamba in the church nursery.....LOL!
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Nice to be back, thanks. The stock was one that Mile High Shooter threw in with the deal on the barrel. I think it was probably one that fit a military Mauser of some sort but it didn't fit this commercial 98. So it was a bedded job from the get go. It's bedded tight and judging by the 4 shots I took it shoots pretty good. And yes, crocus is for fine polishing but it will make it smoothe as duck butter. But I'll probably try the .45 Cal. brush first and see if that does it. If not, I'm not messing with it. After reading everything here I think It's going back to the smith and let him figure it out.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Yeah and at least I've had my covid shots.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Reuters, Dec 2020.