Picked up a Shattuck double barrel

JunkCollector

Yeah I know me either....:) 

I grew up close to where it was made.
I was surprised how the case color held up.
The bores are still great also.
So......home it came.

HappySquid

the metal to wood fitting looks very loose ????    Specially the right-hand side.
16 Gauge ?

JunkCollector

It's a 12
Yeah it's definitely not great especially there.
I picked it up mainly for the history.
One of his employees was a guy going by O F Mossberg.

The founder was a major in the civil war.

earlyagain

The metal to wood fit might not be the gold standard. But the shape of that semi pistol grip is beautiful. Finish is darn nice too. Bet it shoulders right on target.

Diver43

Fit may not be perfect, but its a good looking gun.  Will it be a shooter?

sakodude

Oh, that’s nice! Shootable or just for “lookin at” ?

JunkCollector

sakodude said:

Oh, that’s nice! Shootable or just for “lookin at” ?

I'm not sure yet on that.
I've seen/heard two different things about the barrels.

One says all were twist steel and the other says not all.

So the first is to expose some maybe under the fore end.

Jayhawker

Chamber length needs to be checked too...I'd bet they are 2 9/16" unless someone hogged out the chambers in years past...

Wambli Ska

12 ga brass shells and BP loads!!!  Shoot that sucker!!!  She’s a beauty ❤️

JunkCollector

Jayhawker said:

Chamber length needs to be checked too...I'd bet they are 2 9/16" unless someone hogged out the chambers in years past...

My scientific test was I dropped a 2 3/4 shell in. It fits.
Test 2 was hey try a 3" it went in too.

I did find either twist or polished steel for barrel type.

Justsomedude

It is a beautiful gun. The forearm and stock seem to have a different grain pattern. I'd be willing to bet that someone replaced the stock or made one for it after the fact. Even alot of "lower end" guns of earlier years have fairly good wood to metal transitions. 

JunkCollector

I did take it apart for some cleaning and lubrication.




I did use my most vintage punch



Unfortunately I think it does have a twist steel barrel now.
I don't have much into the gun 150 OTD so I'll probably have it checked to see if safe with RST low pressure rounds.

Gene L

You can get Reduced Recoil shells for it which I bought for my old Parker gun.  If it's not on face (ref. other forum) you can fix that, too, with a narrow strip of aluminum, cut from an aluminum can, placed in the lump at the hinge pin. And if you ever buy a shotgun SxS,pull the fore end off to check if it's been repaired.  For a more solid cure, a gunsmith will lay a bead of weld there and file it down to fit. But for a hardware store gun, and unless you're going to shoot it a whole lot, the aluminum can fix will do.

That gun looks like it has a Prince of Wales pistol grip.

Jayhawker

JunkCollector said:

Jayhawker said:

Chamber length needs to be checked too...I'd bet they are 2 9/16" unless someone hogged out the chambers in years past...

My scientific test was I dropped a 2 3/4 shell in. It fits.
Test 2 was hey try a 3" it went in too.

I did find either twist or polished steel for barrel type.

Ignore the 2 9\16" thing...I thought we were talking about a 16 gauge...,

JunkCollector

But for a hardware store gun,

It's not what I'd call it Gene.

You can I don't mind but for clarity 
It was actually in today's dollars an 800 dollar gun.

Jayhawker

A few years back...Hatfield was ressurected as a company and was selling some nice high end Turkish doubles but I don't think they made a go of it for long...

Gene L

I checked on the price of the guns on the ad Junk posted: $25 for the basic gun.  Extra for Damascus.  Given that the standard gun apparently had twist steel barrels, I wouldn't shoot it.  Also, according to my limited information, the Shattuck  guns were never proofed for smokeless powder.

I guess at the period this gun was built, $25 was a week's pay or more for an average American worker.  The ad shows the gun in Damascus which is the gun I'd hope for. To put things in perspective a Model T from that time period was $850.

The gun in the ad is checkered with a P of Wales stock. I wonder if the gun Junk had the checkering rasped down or if the wood is replaced.  The wood metal fit is indifferent.

The blue is hard to tell from the photos, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was re-blued.

waipapa13

Nice, I've got a real thing for plain Jane SxS's.
Hope you can find some BP or low pressure loads for it.

JunkCollector

Gene I too wonder about the  lack of checkering.
I'm going with the fore end as being original as the serial number is stamped on it.

The barrels too.
A reblue is possible.
The serial there is still sharp though.

Gene L

Could be original, although a 120 year old gun should show more natural wear.

earlyagain

Could there be a possibility of a mistake in the exact ID?

My phone screen is small, but I can't see an Damascus irregularities in the steel.

Gene L

Could be wrapped steel, not Damascus. I had an LC Smith Damascus and you could only see it if the light was right.  Another reason I think the gun barrels are re-blued.

Wambli Ska

Considering how well the case color has held up it would not surprise me if the blue is original. Don’t think this was a working gun.  The stock does look like it was the victim of a home reshaping/refinishing job that took out too much wood off.

Johnny reb

JunkCollector said:

Jayhawker said:

Chamber length needs to be checked too...I'd bet they are 2 9/16" unless someone hogged out the chambers in years past...

My scientific test was I dropped a 2 3/4 shell in. It fits.
Test 2 was hey try a 3" it went in too.

I did find either twist or polished steel for barrel type.

Thats normal that they went in as you say. Shot shells will vary on average between 1/4in and 1/2in shorter than stated length. The reason being is too allow the crimp to unfold. The chamber size based on a fired shell.

Johnny reb

I shoot alot of these in my 2.5 in guns. Prices and load selection are good also.

Johnny reb

JunkCollector said:

sakodude said:

Oh, that’s nice! Shootable or just for “lookin at” ?

I'm not sure yet on that.
I've seen/heard two different things about the barrels.

One says all were twist steel and the other says not all.

So the first is to expose some maybe under the fore end.

There shot everyday. Start by making sure the gun is on face. With the gun shut look at the top lever. It should be centered or slightly to the right. With the barrels closed check to see if there is any movement. A little movement is nothing to worry about if the gun lock up right. That can be tightened rather easily depending on the action it is built on. Check the barrels looking for pitting, bulges, and dents. Then you need to ring the barrels. This is to make sure the solder on the rib of the barrels is solid. To do this remove the barrels and hang them by the hinge pin off your hand. Using fingernails or small brass hammer lightly tap the barrels. You should hear a clear ping if they have a loose rib there will be a dull sound. Hope this helps and I haven’t confused anyone.

JunkCollector

They ring like bell.
The off face I think literally just a touch.

Wambli Ska

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JunkCollector

I agree something held up good Enzo.
It's not case colors as we know it though. It is a cyanide type treatment.

I was hoping to check the bore today at one of my stores but they couldn't find the camera thingie...  lol

I did see a 16 gauge baker though.....aND a Johnson