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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,573 Senior Member
    My old 7mm-08 with a Texas mule deer
    Is that a Datsun in the background?!?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,572 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    My old 7mm-08 with a Texas mule deer
    Is that a Datsun in the background?!?
    Looking a little Burt Gummer there!
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    edited August 2021 #34
    Zee,
    The 7mm-08 does have more capacity than the the Creed, and it is just caliber away from the 308 Win, and it's based off that case.  A 162 A-Max or ELD-M could do wonders in a properly throated 7-08.
    A 150 grain ELD-X  (BC .574 (G1) .289 (G7)) wouldn't do bad either....Just saying <3

    I ran 120 grain and primarily 140 grain NBT's back in the day with H-4895
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    My old 7mm-08 with a Texas mule deer
    Is that a Datsun in the background?!?

    It was a diesel Volkswagen Rabbit...It carried a couple of big game animals home for me.  When it is all you have, you make due.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,573 Senior Member
    Zee,
    The 7mm-08 does have more capacity than the the Creed, and it is just caliber away from the 308 Win, and it's based off that case.  A 162 A-Max or ELD-M could do wonders in a properly throated 7-08.
    A 150 grain ELD-X  (BC .574 (G1) .289 (G7)) wouldn't do bad either....Just saying <3

    I ran 120 grain and primarily 140 grain NBT's back in the day with H-4895
    I had an XP-100 in 7-08 remember?  Didn’t grab me. Ended up trading for my 7.5” Redhawk. One of my best trades ever. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    Zee said:
    My old 7mm-08 with a Texas mule deer
    Is that a Datsun in the background?!?
    Looking a little Burt Gummer there!

    I haven been told that a number of times :)
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Zee,
    The 7mm-08 does have more capacity than the the Creed, and it is just caliber away from the 308 Win, and it's based off that case.  A 162 A-Max or ELD-M could do wonders in a properly throated 7-08.
    A 150 grain ELD-X  (BC .574 (G1) .289 (G7)) wouldn't do bad either....Just saying <3

    I ran 120 grain and primarily 140 grain NBT's back in the day with H-4895
    I had an XP-100 in 7-08 remember?  Didn’t grab me. Ended up trading for my 7.5” Redhawk. One of my best trades ever. 

    I know...This is just giving Wambli two strong cartridge options for his XP-100 B)
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Plus, I don't have a 7mm-08 XP currently...
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,573 Senior Member
    I’d be fine if he got a 7-08 or a 6.5 cm. 
    I can rechamber them to something better when I get it from him. 😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Mnt goat will be hard. The times I've seen them in places where they weren't used to people. They were warily eyeing me from extreme distance.

    Be worth the work to save the hide.
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Mnt goat will be hard. The times I've seen them in places where they weren't used to people. They were warily eyeing me from extreme distance.

    Be worth the work to save the hide.
    He plans to.  
    Him and another buddy are packing in on frame packs, he will definitely save the hide, if he gets one
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I’d be fine if he got a 7-08 or a 6.5 cm. 
    I can rechamber them to something better when I get it from him. 😁
    I laughed when I read that.  
    6.5-284 and 284 Winchester or 280AI B)
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,245 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I’d be fine if he got a 7-08 or a 6.5 cm. 
    I can rechamber them to something better when I get it from him. 😁
    I laughed when I read that.  
    6.5-284 and 284 Winchester or 280AI B)
    Those don’t fit in short action guns, no?
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,573 Senior Member
    Single shot, Numb Nuts. 😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    I have or have had single-shot XP’s in 6-284, 6.5-284, 284 Winchester, 280AI, 7mm Remington Magnum Improved, 7mm LRM, 7mm Dakota, 300 RUM, and even a 338 Lapua Improved to name some. 
    Like Zee said, the sky is the limit with a single shot 😎
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,245 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Single shot, Numb Nuts. 😁
    I have or have had single-shot XP’s in 6-284, 6.5-284, 284 Winchester, 280AI, 7mm Remington Magnum Improved, 7mm LRM, 7mm Dakota, 300 RUM, and even a 338 Lapua Improved to name some. 
    Like Zee said, the sky is the limit with a single shot 😎
    Ahhhhhhh!!!!  Learned me a new one!  Thanks!

    Ok, follow up question.  At which point does a longer case give you a diminishing return in the relatively short barrel of a SP?  Seems to me that it’s the ideal platform for a WSM and their short powder column no?
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Single shot, Numb Nuts. 😁
    I have or have had single-shot XP’s in 6-284, 6.5-284, 284 Winchester, 280AI, 7mm Remington Magnum Improved, 7mm LRM, 7mm Dakota, 300 RUM, and even a 338 Lapua Improved to name some. 
    Like Zee said, the sky is the limit with a single shot 😎
    Ahhhhhhh!!!!  Learned me a new one!  Thanks!

    Ok, follow up question.  At which point does a longer case give you a diminishing return in the relatively short barrel of a SP?  Seems to me that it’s the ideal platform for a WSM and their short powder column no?

    With a barrel just under 16".
    Actually, there is no barrel limitations for a handgun, it could literally be 32 inches long if you wanted it. 
    Some states have limitations on barrel length and cartridges for hunting though-Always pay attention to that.
    Cartridges based off of the 284 Winchester case, the SAUM/GAP, WSM, 6.5 PRC, and cartridges based off of the 06 and the 06 improved are about ideal when talking a 15-15.9 inch barrel.
    What I am typically looking for is a performance level with a given caliber and bullet choice-looking for a given MV with a bullet weight or class of bullet.  I am not looking for efficiency most of the time, but rather a velocity range for a task(s).
    When building a custom XP, it is easier to stay with the .473 botlface (Creed, 22-250, 308 Win, 06) because many XP's were built in 7mm BR and 35 Remington.
    My old 7mm SAUM was amazing, and was my sons favorite XP to shoot and hunt with.
    He took a buck antelope with it beyond 750 yards, used it for WY-SHOT.
    He just turned 17 (while we were there that week). 162 A-Max.  It also shows how important a good brake is.


    The SAUM has a little less capacity than the WSM-Either is great, as is the 284 family, 06 family and the 06AI family of cartridges.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    338 AX (Lapua Improved raised shoulder)

    6.5 Leopard (WSM)



    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,245 Senior Member
    Damn!!!  Interesting stuff!
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Sent you a Private Message 
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,245 Senior Member
    Answered!
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    They are a lot of fun!
    Notice the lack of recoil-Holland Radial Baffle brake.  Dan is shooting fairly quick (6.5x47 Lapua) at 400 yards 10" steel.

    Goofing with the 22 Creed.



    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,245 Senior Member
    Jeez, maybe I should move a little further out west 🤣
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    Jeez, maybe I should move a little further out west 🤣
    Just find a place where you can shoot some distance, and steel is even more fun, then find someone who’s knows what they’re doing, and can mentor you. Then just go have a whole bunch of fun
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    I went by one of our local gun stores yesterday, since I had about 20 minutes, before my next appointment, to look for some factory ammo.
    My 280 AI center-grip XP-100 shoots so good with the Nosler factory ammo, even at distances beyond most feel comfortable shooting at, I just thought I would try to get a box or two more.
    I have been lazy or pressed for time...you can call it whatever you want, but it has been fun not reloading.
    They didn't have any of the 140AB, but they had a slew of 280 AI Nosler ammo with the 160 AB.
    That bullet is what I would prefer for the elk class size animal. The 168 LRAB and the 175 LRAB are also in the running, but Nosler does not offer those in factory ammo.
    For loading the 168 LR AB has an incredible BC, all things being equal...And I have both. I also have 160 AB's.
    My factory Nosler Ammo in my center-grip XP is running 2961 fps with the 140 AB's which makes me giddy. On the box with rifle length barrels, they 3150fps.
    I typically guesstimate 30-35 fps per inch.
    IF...Nosler based this on a 24" barrel my velocity loss is about 31.5 FPS per inch
    I checked just for giggles, and it is based a 24" test barrel.
    Now I am curious what the 160 AB's will do B)
    G1 BC's between the two: 140 AB is .485 and the 160 AB is .531
    I lean toward the 160 AB simply for for putting more weight on target, yet I have killed a good number of elk with a 15.75" 284 Winchester with 140 Partitions back in the day with MV's around 2750ish.
    Yeah, I am having fun with this 280AI, and I have not loaded a single round for it yet!
    The Nosler factory ammo with the 160 AB has a MV on the box of 2950 fps.
    If I subtract 30 fps per inch, I will be around 2770 fps with the 160 AB
    For comparison my 18" 284 Winchester center-grip XP-100 with the 162 A-Max has a MV of 2600 fps.
    If I get 170 fps more with my 280AI with the 160 AB, than my 284 Winchester (162 A-Max) with the same kind of accuracy I am getting from the factory 140's 280AI, I will be extremely pleased.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,573 Senior Member
    :popcorn:
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,532 Senior Member
    It's all your fault...You are the one that helped me enjoy the simplicity of factory ammo :)
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,573 Senior Member
    It's all your fault...You are the one that helped me enjoy the simplicity of factory ammo :)
    And here I am now, disassembling and reassembling factory ammo. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,245 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    It's all your fault...You are the one that helped me enjoy the simplicity of factory ammo :)
    And here I am now, disassembling and reassembling factory ammo. 
    There is a level of irony AND poetry in there somewhere...   :D
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
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