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  • SpkSpk Posts: 4,832 Senior Member
    You did your testing around an hour, hour and a half before sunset or early in the morning? Just wondering.
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  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    You did your testing around an hour, hour and a half before sunset or early in the morning? Just wondering.
    Evening. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    Took my Rancher Friend’s Custom 17” Savage and measured his chamber (1.985” as opposed to the Remington 1.888”) and made some test loads for him as well. Hope to test them tomorrow. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Posts: 4,629 Senior Member
    edited September 2021 #35
    You got me thinking... I still have 180 of the 75gr Federal AE rounds in 224 Valk. For $29, I could order a box of 100 Hornady 75gr ELD-M bullets. Pull and reseat and see what happens.... Gotta be better than just pulling the factory FMJ bullets and seating longer and at least (maybe) get 100 rounds of useable ammo.

    I finally got my modified case the other day so I can take some measurements. Just haven't had time to get in the man cave and work on it.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    Jay said:
    You got me thinking... I still have 180 of the 75gr Federal AE rounds in 224 Valk. For $29, I could order a box of 100 Hornady 75gr ELD-M bullets. Pull and reseat and see what happens.... Gotta be better than just pulling the factory FMJ bullets and seating longer and at least (maybe) get 100 rounds of useable ammo.

    I finally got my modified case the other day so I can take some measurements. Just haven't had time to get in the man cave and work on it.
    Go forth and do.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Posts: 4,629 Senior Member
    edited September 2021 #37
    Bullets ordered..  B)

    It'll be a week or so before I get the bullets and get around to messing with them.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    Jay said:
    Bullets ordered..  B)

    It'll be a week or so before I get the bullets and get around to messing with them.
    You limiting factor may be Mag length as opposed to chamber length. The first batch I made was for my 700 Tac and the chamber length seat depth wouldn’t allow the rounds to fit in a AR Mag and be used in my Ruger Ranch Rifle. So, I’d have to measure that chamber as well and seat no longer than Mag length. 
    The ones I made for my friend are seated even LONGER than my Remington but still fit in his detachable Mag. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Posts: 4,629 Senior Member
    I kinda figured that. I'll still measure to the lands and at least know how far off the lands I am at mag length. If I absolutely have to and they seem to be really worth it, I can seat some long and feed them one at a time. But I'd rather stay within mag length for simplicity if they'll shoot.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    My friend’s Savage with the 60gr V-Max seated .005” off the lands. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Posts: 4,629 Senior Member
    Looks good! And pretty consistent, it seems.

    I was going to give you a hard time about calling your new Savage your "friends" gun, until I noticed the junk on the stock followed by it being a lefty gun.  So you're safe...  ;)
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    Got enough loaded up for the season. Hopefully I’ll get to test the bullet on a deer/pig/yote at some point this fall. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayJay Posts: 4,629 Senior Member
    Nice! Pretty little red rockets...  :open_mouth:
    Definitely interested in seeing your results with those.

    I got my box of 75gr ELD-M bullets in earlier this week. I got the bullet puller set up and started to pull one of the 75gr FMJ bullets from the factory ammo, but that's as far as I got at that point. Just set up and ready to pull. I wasn't ready to start seating yet and didn't want to leave them open with powder in them until I got back to them, so I didn't proceed any further. 

    Also got my 20 once fired pieces of brass prepped and ready to load with the 88gr ELD-M bullets. Gonna try to get some test loads of both ready this weekend. Unknown if I'll be able to sneak out to test or not.
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Posts: 8,609 Senior Member
    edited September 2021 #44
    I got of bunch of the 88 grain ELD-M's in and about 700 of the 75 grain ELD-M's in as well-Fun, Fun, Fun!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • JayJay Posts: 4,629 Senior Member
    I git of bunch of the 88 grain ELD-M's in and about 700 of the 75 grain ELD-M's in as well-Fun, Fun, Fun!
    What are you planning to load them in?
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Posts: 8,609 Senior Member
    Jay said:
    I git of bunch of the 88 grain ELD-M's in and about 700 of the 75 grain ELD-M's in as well-Fun, Fun, Fun!
    What are you planning to load them in?

    A couple of 22 Creed's, and two 22GT's for the 88's.
    Two bolt pistol's in 223 Remington (7T and a 7.7T) for the 75's once my 77 grain TMK's dry up
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,405 Senior Member
    When you pull the original bullet to you weigh the charge for consistency before loading it back into the case?

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Posts: 8,609 Senior Member
    My guess is he is doing load development:
    Trying different powder charges and then tweaking seat depth (which is what he was showing today).
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • JayJay Posts: 4,629 Senior Member
    Jay said:
    I git of bunch of the 88 grain ELD-M's in and about 700 of the 75 grain ELD-M's in as well-Fun, Fun, Fun!
    What are you planning to load them in?

    A couple of 22 Creed's, and two 22GT's for the 88's.
    Two bolt pistol's in 223 Remington (7T and a 7.7T) for the 75's once my 77 grain TMK's dry up
    Nice. We might be somewhere in the same ballpark velocity wise, depending on barrel lengths, with your Creeds probably getting a bit faster than my Valk with the 88s. I'm looking to try to get around 26-2700 with the 88s and maybe touch 3000 with the 75s with my 24" barrel. But just ballparking it. The chrono will tell the rest of the story.
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Posts: 8,609 Senior Member
    I do have 15.5" valk in a G-2 barrel as well.....
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • JayJay Posts: 4,629 Senior Member
    I do have 15.5" valk in a G-2 barrel as well.....
    Sweet. I think I remembered you mentioning that as an idea in a thread at one time. Didn't know you had got one. I'd love to see how that works for you. I can say I'm not completely in love with the cartridge at this point. But it's growing on me and is kindof a neat little cartridge. Those long, sleek 88s did make me grin a little...
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    I got of bunch of the 88 grain ELD-M's in and about 700 of the 75 grain ELD-M's in as well-Fun, Fun, Fun!
    What are you putting them in?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    Jay said:
    I git of bunch of the 88 grain ELD-M's in and about 700 of the 75 grain ELD-M's in as well-Fun, Fun, Fun!
    What are you planning to load them in?

    A couple of 22 Creed's, and two 22GT's for the 88's.
    Two bolt pistol's in 223 Remington (7T and a 7.7T) for the 75's once my 77 grain TMK's dry up
    Disregard my above question. But, who the hell makes a 7.7” twist .224 cal barrel and why the hell would they do that?!?!?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Posts: 8,609 Senior Member
    75's are for two fast twist 223 Remington SP's
    88's are for the 22 Creed and two 22 GT's.
    One will be a center-grip XP-100, and the other is a rear grip SP with a chassis.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Posts: 8,609 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Jay said:
    I git of bunch of the 88 grain ELD-M's in and about 700 of the 75 grain ELD-M's in as well-Fun, Fun, Fun!
    What are you planning to load them in?

    A couple of 22 Creed's, and two 22GT's for the 88's.
    Two bolt pistol's in 223 Remington (7T and a 7.7T) for the 75's once my 77 grain TMK's dry up
    Disregard my above question. But, who the hell makes a 7.7” twist .224 cal barrel and why the hell would they do that?!?!?

    Bartlein if I remember correctly
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    When you pull the original bullet to you weigh the charge for consistency before loading it back into the case?
    No. Call it “in good faith”. Call it “lazy”. 
    I dump the powder, size and prep the case, and pour the powder back in. A .3ish” group from the rifle makes it not worth my time
    for basically free ammo minus the component bullet. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,388 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Jay said:
    I git of bunch of the 88 grain ELD-M's in and about 700 of the 75 grain ELD-M's in as well-Fun, Fun, Fun!
    What are you planning to load them in?

    A couple of 22 Creed's, and two 22GT's for the 88's.
    Two bolt pistol's in 223 Remington (7T and a 7.7T) for the 75's once my 77 grain TMK's dry up
    Disregard my above question. But, who the hell makes a 7.7” twist .224 cal barrel and why the hell would they do that?!?!?

    Bartlein if I remember correctly
    Elvis has left the building. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,405 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    When you pull the original bullet to you weigh the charge for consistency before loading it back into the case?
    No. Call it “in good faith”. Call it “lazy”. 
    I dump the powder, size and prep the case, and pour the powder back in. A .3ish” group from the rifle makes it not worth my time
    for basically free ammo minus the component bullet. 
    👍👍

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

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