Very curious to see how they do with that high a launch speed and zero nose taper. There's a diameter/speed matrix at play here I'd like to learn more about. I know the duty gun and toasty .45-70 effects pretty well - - this is interesting middle ground.
Very curious to see how they do with that high a launch speed and zero nose taper. There's a diameter/speed matrix at play here I'd like to learn more about. I know the duty gun and toasty .45-70 effects pretty well - - this is interesting middle ground.
Ok, which bullet are you talking about?
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
Your full diameter wadcutter at 1000-ish fps specifically.
I figure if you're penetrating more than 6 jugs (I have little doubt) and managing to catastrophically rupture 5 before it settles into perforating the rest, you've got some really potent ju-ju.
I’ve got to order some more of the 240gr HBWC and thought about ordering some of these too.
I like those bullets. They look like a lot of fun. I see potential there. You could even use them in the Ruger if you order them in hard cast.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
I’ve got to order some more of the 240gr HBWC and thought about ordering some of these too.
I like those. Might have to order some to play with the .44 Spl!
was just looking there and thinking the 200 gr full wadcutters would be fun in the 44 spl. There is a 205gr for the 41 mag that looks interesting as well.
Been out for a week - settling back into the routine.
Re POI: I think - probably like your Bond derringer - that your Charter Arms is likely calibrated around cowboy spec loads of roughly 255 grains at roughly 950-1000 fps. At least so far as CA bothers to calibrate anything.
Best way to test this theory - I think - is to order up the small boxes of Matt's 260 grain Keith (the old Ideal/Lyman 452424/454424) and 280 grain SWC (another classic - the RCBS SAA) and see what it takes to get the gun hitting to the sights. You could possibly get there by slowing the 250 grainers down, but I know that's not what you're after.
While they aren't the full-patch wadcutters you've zeroed in on, they're both still packing large, ugly meplats that will induce a serious case of hemorrhagic fever. Accuracy first - gooey. squishy side effects second. Per my early "put down a cow/horse" comments, more mass & extra penetration will never be a bad thing for what you plan to use the gun for. And I can just about guarantee a certain Redhawk will end up loving the same load.
Just out of curiosity, could you do the exact same test with this ammo at 15 yards. I'm curious to see were the bullets land. I'm just trying to get some idea where the heck CA puts their zero... If they even have one. 🤣
I understand if you want to adjust these guns for 10 yards but I'm curious what CA thinks the zero should be, if they think about this sort of thing at all.
With at least two data reference points I can plot a probable trajectory.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
Just out of curiosity, could you do the exact same test with this ammo at 15 yards. I'm curious to see were the bullets land. I'm just trying to get some idea where the heck CA puts their zero... If they even have one. 🤣
I understand if you want to adjust these guns for 10 yards but I'm curious what CA thinks the zero should be, if they think about this sort of thing at all.
With at least two data reference points I can plot a probable trajectory.
When they worked in my .357 Mag, they test tired at 8 yards.
I tend to shoot these types of guns at 10 yards because of their short sight radius, intended use, and the fact I often test on steel targets and I don’t want to be closer than 10 yards to steel. Even then, I sometimes catch splash back.
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
... Who knew Charter Arms and old cartridges could be so much fun? :-)
That should be their tagline.
Charter Arms... Some adjustments required. 🤣
Dang, now I want one.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
So they need some adjustments, I can live with that. 👍
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
This is one small part of why I want to travel back in time and slap most of the gun writers of the mid-20th Century upside the head.
We had a VERY practical thing going with the .40 to .45 caliber rounds of the late 1800's and early 1900's that were generally lobbing 200 to 280 grains at 600 to 1000 fps. They didn't kick much, and they worked.
Then came the velocity Kool Aid that turned many of those rounds into things you wouldn't want to shoot out of these little revolvers. Stupid Humans won't want a Special if there's a Magnum to be had - - even if it isn't needed.
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"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
I figure if you're penetrating more than 6 jugs (I have little doubt) and managing to catastrophically rupture 5 before it settles into perforating the rest, you've got some really potent ju-ju.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
There is a 205gr for the 41 mag that looks interesting as well.
Re POI: I think - probably like your Bond derringer - that your Charter Arms is likely calibrated around cowboy spec loads of roughly 255 grains at roughly 950-1000 fps. At least so far as CA bothers to calibrate anything.
Best way to test this theory - I think - is to order up the small boxes of Matt's 260 grain Keith (the old Ideal/Lyman 452424/454424) and 280 grain SWC (another classic - the RCBS SAA) and see what it takes to get the gun hitting to the sights. You could possibly get there by slowing the 250 grainers down, but I know that's not what you're after.
While they aren't the full-patch wadcutters you've zeroed in on, they're both still packing large, ugly meplats that will induce a serious case of hemorrhagic fever. Accuracy first - gooey. squishy side effects second. Per my early "put down a cow/horse" comments, more mass & extra penetration will never be a bad thing for what you plan to use the gun for. And I can just about guarantee a certain Redhawk will end up loving the same load.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
I admit I screwed up and didn’t measure the start. I realized that a few thousands into it.
Who knew Charter Arms and old cartridges could be so much fun?
:-)
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
We had a VERY practical thing going with the .40 to .45 caliber rounds of the late 1800's and early 1900's that were generally lobbing 200 to 280 grains at 600 to 1000 fps. They didn't kick much, and they worked.
Then came the velocity Kool Aid that turned many of those rounds into things you wouldn't want to shoot out of these little revolvers. Stupid Humans won't want a Special if there's a Magnum to be had - - even if it isn't needed.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee