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Spk
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30 Super Carry, Who's getting one?
Spk
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380 ACP - 30 Super - 9mm
From what I'm seeing, it's an alternative to the 380 auto and more capacity than a 9mm.
I guess we'll see if it takes off or becomes another novelty cartridge.
I could see a niche for it in the subcompact arena but there's been a lot of other 30's in the past.
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How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎
introducing a new cartridge when they are still backed up on most every other existing cartridge?
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
No plans on one as I'm pretty stocked up on wants/needs
It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎
"The Un-Tactical"
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
The biggest issue is going to be price point and availability. Like Elk Creek said, no point in bringing in more variety when we can't even get the normal stuff yet.
Winston Churchill
The penetration numbers are pretty much advertising fluff, IMO. A 9mm can penetrate as little as one milk jug or over nine of them depending on how you construct the bullet. We can make these things stop wherever we want them to - the only question is how fat do you want it to be when it's done.
What I REALLY want to see is how that light a bullet does on the drywall, plywood, sheet metal, and auto glass tests. Mass seems to matter when trying to get consistent performance across all the tests. Does this .312", 100 grain pill count as heavy-for-caliber in that context?
They're still pitching foot-pounds??? Really???? Why not knapped flint knives while they're still in the stone age? And this is coming from one of the forum's leading Luddites.
And that leaves us with capacity and maybe felt recoil as it's main attributes - - -which have been the two main selling points of the 9mm since AT LEAST the mid-1930's.
It turns a 10 round 9mm into a 12 rounder. . .
It'll probably get you 1-2 more in what was a single stack 9mm, depending on how big the platform is. . .
In the bigger guns, it'll probably turn 15 into 18, 17 into 21 or 22, and 20 into about 23 or 24.
None of those increases is rocking my world. I'm not going to knock more bullets, but at some point, this notion of "just ONE MORE will solve all my problems" gets silly.
Felt recoil? Played with one of the online calculators and it looks like about 5-ish foot-pounds of recoil for a 147 grain 9mm vs. a smidge under 4 foot pounds for this thing in a 1.5 pound gun. I'm not going to knock less recoil, but again, my world is un-rocked by this.
I think the IPSC guys will start marching like zombies to buy race guns in this round in the quest for shaving time off their strings. Outside of that, it has to compete against the existing 9mm infrastructure without a real "killer" selling point. And until we get rid of California's stupid roster, and it and other state's 10-round limit laws, it's going nowhere there.
I'm not saying it's the Titanic - doomed on it's maiden voyage - but it does seem to be answering questions nobody's asking.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
You say that now but wait till they come out with a derringer barrel for it. 🤣
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
"The Un-Tactical"
I dub this thing the ".30 Shouldn't Consider"
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
(I fear that where I really want this round is in some kind of manually-operated, suppressed carbine, where we can then say "We invented a rimless .32-20 WCF!")
As for expansion, they've got that stuff pretty well engineered for the specific round to get the depth they want at the speed they intend. Counter-intuitively, when you throw some of these specific-task bullets faster, they'll penetrate LESS because they pancake out too wide.
I stumbled across an online article leaning heavily against this round when I did my own searching - Gun University, I believe. Summed up, author's opinion is that they've created something that's not quite a 9mm, at a time when everybody wants 9mm, but can't hardly get anything at all, and they're using resources to make it that could have been dedicated to making more 9mm.
He also countered their pitch of capacity being the counter to your marksmanship sucking. If statistically only one out of five rounds hit in these real world engagements, then you've got two hits in a ten round magazine. If you bump your capacity to 12, you now have a whopping 2.4 hits at your disposal. Ummmm. . .yeah. This is not exactly trading in the flintlock for a belt-fed Maxim.
Cops aren't likely to jump on this because they'll have to load it with ammo THEY bought, instead of what their AGENCY bought.
Best I can tell the purpose of this round is not to fill a performance niche, but to create the PERCEPTION of a performance niche in order to sell more guns. Its success therefore is going to be entirely dependent on people drinking the tiny-bit-more-above-what-was-already-ridiculous-capacity Kool Aid.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee