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30 Super Carry, Who's getting one?

SpkSpk Senior MemberPosts: 4,739 Senior Member


380 ACP - 30 Super - 9mm



From what I'm seeing, it's an alternative to the 380 auto and more capacity than a 9mm.
I guess we'll see if it takes off or becomes another novelty cartridge.
I could see a niche for it in the subcompact arena but there's been a lot of other 30's in the past.

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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,193 Senior Member
    Looks like it would be more effective on obese bad people than the 9MM or .380 ;)
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,739 Senior Member
    With a factory load PF of 125, they might try to market it to the competition crowd.
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 2,983 Senior Member
    edited January 6 #4
    I’ll wait to see what platform(s) it’s deployed in to make up my mind.  A Glock 43 with a Shield Arms type mag with over 10 rounds on board might be interesting.
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,041 Senior Member
    It’s interesting to be sure.  Going after 7.62x25 ballistics in a cartridge that is pretty close to the 32 French Long in dimensions.  

    I like innovation.  But….. 

    introducing a new cartridge when they are still backed up on most every other existing cartridge?  

    Hope it works out for them.  I would imagine that there would be some intense muzzle blast and flash- which can cause a pretty bad flinch in the target market for this round and gun 
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    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,125 Senior Member
    I'm for innovation; but, I'll use a .40 S&W or a .327
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 1,070 Senior Member
    I think it has a far better chance of succeeding than many before it.

    No plans on one as I'm pretty stocked up on wants/needs
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 7,368 Senior Member
    edited January 6 #8
    IF they support it with all the ammo you could ever want and in a good platform it will be ok with the sub compact crowd. If you can only get one box every 6 months I see another 9mm Federal on our hands. 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,871 Senior Member
    Hmmm.... looks like it penetrates better than a 9mm, but you're looking at a sectional density of .159 vs .141, unexpanded.  Like Bullsi said, I think it may have prodigious muzzle blast.  Having stood next to someone shooting 7.62x25 before and getting punchy... I'll pass.
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,193 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Looks like it would be more effective on obese bad people than the 9MM or .380 ;)
    I resemble the 3 words I bolded :D

    And to answer the OP, Not planning on it
    You are just big boned ;)
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 2,983 Senior Member
    I don’t think that case capacity will be much more than a 9mm so I don’t anticipate much more flash than you would with a 9mm with a short muzzle.  Only pushing a 100gr bullet so recoil could be pretty tame too.
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,496 Senior Member
    Interesting
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,739 Senior Member
    Interesting

    Looks like a 32 ACP with attitude. Like Wambli mentioned, if they have some reasonable pistols for it, a variety of bullet loadings and... the ammo is available, then I think it would serve as a good substitute for a 32, 380 or other small compact autos.
    Finally, a 32 Gene can carry with pride!!!!! 🤣
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  • JustsomedudeJustsomedude Posts: 1,319 Senior Member
    I'd be interested in one not because it's new but because I like weird and different things. Reminds me of a shortened 30 carbine. I will admit that if their reasoning behind it is to allow for carrying two more rounds, there are extended mags that accomplish that already. 
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,456 Senior Member
    One inch deeper penetration and 100fps faster than the comparable 9mm while launching a 24gr lighter bullet. 

    Nope. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 1,568 Senior Member
    I’ll wait to see what platform(s) it’s deployed in to make up my mind.  A Glock 43 with a Shield Arms type mag with over 10 rounds on board might be interesting.
    I was thinking the same thing. A drop in barrel and a mag might tempt me to try it.
  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,927 Senior Member
    I'd be interested in one not because it's new but because I like weird and different things. Reminds me of a shortened 30 carbine. I will admit that if their reasoning behind it is to allow for carrying two more rounds, there are extended mags that accomplish that already. 
    That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this a 30 carbine short.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,423 Senior Member
    It is interesting. Not a huge increase in capacity. Might make a bigger difference in micro-compact. Might be cool if I could get a conversion for one I have or even the PC carbine. 

    The biggest issue is going to be price point and availability. Like Elk Creek said, no point in bringing in more variety when we can't even get the normal stuff yet. 
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,324 Senior Member
    They invented the Tokarev. . .

    The penetration numbers are pretty much advertising fluff, IMO.  A 9mm can penetrate as little as one milk jug or over nine of them depending on how you construct the bullet.  We can make these things stop wherever we want them to - the only question is how fat do you want it to be when it's done.

    What I REALLY want to see is how that light a bullet does on the drywall, plywood, sheet metal, and auto glass tests.  Mass seems to matter when trying to get consistent performance across all the tests.  Does this .312", 100 grain pill count as heavy-for-caliber in that context?

    They're still pitching foot-pounds??? Really????  Why not knapped flint knives while they're still in the stone age?  And this is coming from one of the forum's leading Luddites.

    And that leaves us with capacity and maybe felt recoil as it's main attributes - - -which have been the two main selling points of the 9mm since AT LEAST the mid-1930's.

    It turns a 10 round 9mm into a 12 rounder. . .

    It'll probably get you 1-2 more in what was a single stack 9mm, depending on how big the platform is. . . 

    In the bigger guns, it'll probably turn 15 into 18, 17 into 21 or 22, and 20 into about 23 or 24.

    None of those increases is rocking my world.  I'm not going to knock more bullets, but at some point, this notion of "just ONE MORE will solve all my problems" gets silly.  

    Felt recoil?  Played with one of the online calculators and it looks like about 5-ish foot-pounds of recoil for a 147 grain 9mm vs. a smidge under 4 foot pounds for this thing in a 1.5 pound gun.  I'm not going to knock less recoil, but again, my world is un-rocked by this.

    I think the IPSC guys will start marching like zombies to buy race guns in this round in the quest for shaving time off their strings.  Outside of that, it has to compete against the existing 9mm infrastructure without a real "killer" selling point.  And until we get rid of California's stupid roster, and it and other state's 10-round limit laws, it's going nowhere there.

    I'm not saying it's the Titanic - doomed on it's maiden voyage - but it does seem to be answering questions nobody's asking.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,456 Senior Member

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,982 Senior Member
    But how does it do on the smartphone ballistics test? ;)
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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  • RaftermanRafterman New Member Posts: 328 Member
    For the reloaders...how hard will it be to separate this case from 380 ~ 9mm? What other cases will it nest in and jam things up?
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 2,983 Senior Member
    I’d tumble wash with my .45s and call it good.
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,739 Senior Member
    I’ll wait to see what platform(s) it’s deployed in to make up my mind.  A Glock 43 with a Shield Arms type mag with over 10 rounds on board might be interesting.
    I was thinking the same thing. A drop in barrel and a mag might tempt me to try it.
    That's what I was kinda thinking. If they have a drop in kit or conversion barrel setup, I might be tempted to play around with the cartridge but I wouldn't go beyond that. But it still seems like something fun to play with.

    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,739 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    One inch deeper penetration and 100fps faster than the comparable 9mm while launching a 24gr lighter bullet. 

    Nope. 

    You say that now but wait till they come out with a derringer barrel for it. 🤣
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,739 Senior Member
    Btw, it looks like it'll be available in more than just one flavor.
    At launch, a number of defensive loads and practice loads are available in 30 Super Carry, and all of the rounds are expected to be priced similarly to comparable defensive and practice offerings for .380 ACP. Defensive loads are the 100-grain Federal Premium HST, 115-grain Speer Gold Dot and 100-grain Remington HTP. Twenty-round cartons of these offerings will retail for $36.99, $35.99 and $26.99, respectively. Practice loads are 100-grain Federal American Eagle, 115-grain CCI Blazer Brass and 100-grain Remington UMC. Fifty-round cartons of these rounds will retail for $31.99, $30.99 and $31.99, respectively.

    It's certainly not gonna replace anything on my daily carry list but it does seem like a fun thing to punch holes with.
    The 115 grain offering would be considered heavy for caliber (.169) since it is a rather small caliber. Bullet construction would matter more for this smaller bullet.

    It'll wait and see for now. 🤔



    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,496 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    Zee said:
    One inch deeper penetration and 100fps faster than the comparable 9mm while launching a 24gr lighter bullet. 

    Nope. 

    You say that now but wait till they come out with a derringer barrel for it. 🤣
    Statement of the week!!!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,324 Senior Member
    The .45 GAP was "Gaston's Asinine Project"

    I dub this thing the ".30 Shouldn't Consider"
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    One inch deeper penetration and 100fps faster than the comparable 9mm while launching a 24gr lighter bullet. 

    Nope. 
    30SC is .313cal and 100 gr, giving it a sectional density of .146.  A .355cal (9mm) at 124gr is a .141 sectional density.  In those ratios the penetration will be very comparable and the increase in velocity with afford greater expansion probability.   I think it has a place in carry guns.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    The .45 GAP was "Gaston's Asinine Project"

    I dub this thing the ".30 Shouldn't Consider"
    I liked 45GAP more than 45ACP.  The gun was the problem (G37).
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,324 Senior Member
    JasonMPD said:
    Zee said:
    One inch deeper penetration and 100fps faster than the comparable 9mm while launching a 24gr lighter bullet. 

    Nope. 
    30SC is .313cal and 100 gr, giving it a sectional density of .146.  A .355cal (9mm) at 124gr is a .141 sectional density.  In those ratios the penetration will be very comparable and the increase in velocity with afford greater expansion probability.   I think it has a place in carry guns.
    With the 147 grainers, the SD kicks up to .167.  115 grains for the new kid gets you to about the same spot.   I'd expect the little guy can manage to chuck that at about the same 1000 fps, maybe a tad higher, so maybe slightly more depth with slightly less diameter?

    (I fear that where I really want this round is in some kind of manually-operated, suppressed carbine, where we can then say "We invented a rimless .32-20 WCF!")

    As for expansion, they've got that stuff pretty well engineered for the specific round to get the depth they want at the speed they intend.  Counter-intuitively, when you throw some of these specific-task bullets faster, they'll penetrate LESS because they pancake out too wide.

    I stumbled across an online article leaning heavily against this round when I did my own searching - Gun University, I believe.  Summed up, author's opinion is that they've created something that's not quite a 9mm, at a time when everybody wants 9mm, but can't hardly get anything at all, and they're using resources to make it that could have been dedicated to making more 9mm.

    He also countered their pitch of capacity being the counter to your marksmanship sucking.  If statistically only one out of five rounds hit in these real world engagements, then you've got two hits in a ten round magazine.  If you bump your capacity to 12, you now have a whopping 2.4 hits at your disposal.  Ummmm. . .yeah.  This is not exactly trading in the flintlock for a belt-fed Maxim.

    Cops aren't likely to jump on this because they'll have to load it with ammo THEY bought, instead of what their AGENCY bought.

    Best I can tell the purpose of this round is not to fill a performance niche, but to create the PERCEPTION of a performance niche in order to sell more guns.  Its success therefore is going to be entirely dependent on people drinking the tiny-bit-more-above-what-was-already-ridiculous-capacity Kool Aid.  
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
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