Putin MAY have Russia’s next Afghanistan in his hands…

Wambli Ska

Ukrainians might lose but not without a wicked fight.  The ones I’ve met are nuts and it shows on what’s going on there right now.  

This article has a bunch of videos, in one long one you’ll see civilians taking down a military truck and basically executing a soldier trying to take cover but the crazy part is in the middle of the same video where they show what looks to be a speeding APC veering trying to dodge a car trying to ram it head on!!!   Note: another website says it veered off to try to run over the car but why would they do that and risk the damage to their vehicle when all they have to do is shoot the car to shreds?

All sorts of reports of people putting themselves in the path of tanks and ramming them with their cars.  They are arming everyone that can hold a gun and they’re all taking rifles.  God bless them!!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552523/Ukraines-desperate-battle-freedom-soldier-blows-saboteurs-gunned-down.html

Wambli Ska

On Snake Island 13 Border Guards were killed by a Russian Navy boat that told them to surrender.  The final excanhge of communications, KNOWING they were about to die:

“A Russian warship issued a warning to the Ukrainian border guards at Zmiinyi Island – also known as Snake Island – only to be told by one of the guards, "Russian Warship, go f--- yourself." “

The audio is out there in the net…

Linefinder

Personally, I think the military outcome is inevitable, but the price Russia will pay (Russia, not Putin) will be epic. I think, in the long game....Putin has slit his own throat.

Mike

Jayhawker

I have long suspected that Putin, an old KGB guy, has wanted to resurrect the old Soviet Union...just the ramblings of an old Cold War soldier...

Linefinder

To compare Russias' invasion of Afghanistan to that of the Ukraine is apples/oranges, IMHO opinion. Afghans, for the most part, had no electricity, no sewer systems, no running water, no central government, etc. They had no reason to fight except for the thrill of it. Ukraine has all of that to loose and I doubt you'll see them resist on a large-scale basis for long.

It's easier to occupy "civilized" nations than tribal ones.

Mike

Wambli Ska

Linefinder said:

To compare Russias' invasion of Afghanistan to that of the Ukraine is apples/oranges, IMHO opinion. Afghans, for the most part, had no electricity, no sewer systems, no running water, no central government, etc. They had no reason to fight except for the thrill of it. Ukraine has all of that to loose and I doubt you'll see them resist on a large-scale basis for long.

It's easier to occupy "civilized" nations than tribal ones.

Mike

We tend to look at things through our lens.  Americans are beyond civilized.  Most of the folks in our metropolitan areas have been “pusssyfied”.  Nationalism is a bad word in our country nowadays.

Ukranians are not like that.  Eastern Ukraine has been in what amounts to an ongoing civil war with Russia for years.  Ukrainians are violently nationalist.  Would you ever envision an average American living in a metro area throwing Molotov cocktails and throwing themselves in the path of tanks?  They are!

I do believe they will lose the military invasion in relatively short time, but the French Resistance of WWII will look like a bunch of Girl Scouts compared to what Russian Military will experience in Ukraine for the rest of their occupation.  These guys tasted freedom and they won’t give it up without a furious fight.  The movie Wolverines is now real to them.

GrapeApe

Wambli Ska said:The movie Wolverines is now real to them.

Wasn't the name of the movie actually "Red Dawn"???

Wambli Ska

GrapeApe said:

Wambli Ska said:The movie Wolverines is now real to them.

Wasn't the name of the movie actually "Red Dawn"???

Yeah that… 🤣

GrapeApe

  

Wambli Ska

Biden called him to offer evacuation and sanctuary.

Zelensky said in response to the offer of refuge: 'The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,' according to a senior American intelligence official with direct knowledge of the conversation, who described Zelensky as upbeat.

He spoke as Biden authorized the release of $350million of military assistance to Ukraine after taking his latest weekend break to Delaware as Russian troops began to invade Kyiv.

Can anyone envision Biden dropping off crates of M-4s on the streets of NYC if we were about to be invaded and moving into a bunker with the soldiers?

I don’t think so…

Wambli Ska

On the lighter side of the news Harry and Megan issued a statement saying that they stand with the people of Ukraine and they urge world leaders to do the same.  They’re getting their pompous little asses roasted on asocial media!!!  Somehow that makes me 😁

Varmintmist

Wambli Ska said:

Biden called him to offer evacuation and sanctuary.

Zelensky said in response to the offer of refuge: 'The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,' according to a senior American intelligence official with direct knowledge of the conversation, who described Zelensky as upbeat.

He spoke as Biden authorized the release of $350million of military assistance to Ukraine after taking his latest weekend break to Delaware as Russian troops began to invade Kyiv.

Can anyone envision Biden dropping off crates of M-4s on the streets of NYC if we were about to be invaded and moving into a bunker with the soldiers?

I don’t think so…

To little to late. Obama stopped lethal aid, Trump reinstated it, Biden stopped it until it was to late. He thinks hurting Putins poll numbers through weak sanctions will win it because Biden is a weak person whom that would affect.

They dont need M4's, they needed SAM's to stop the Ruskies from resupplying and stingers for the helicopters and anything that would kill a tank.

IF there is a Ukraine after this, they will never trust us again, and with good reason, will be a nuke power.

Freezer

Our leaders are liars and cowards! Look at Afghanistan and, now the Ukraine. In 1984 we told them we would defend them if they gave up their Nukes. Our lies are no longer believable.

If Putin is successful, Georgia and Finland are next. As long as he doesn't attack a NATO nation our cowards won't attack him.

We will put more sanctions on Russia. Does anyone believe he hasn't calculated our response?  He's been building up for this evasion for a year and, what have we done? We haven't even sent a truck load of Taurus  firearms.

Kim and Xi  signed a cooperation pact yesterday. China could easily take over Taiwan then, throw it's hands in the air and say what are you going to do now?   Taiwan is not a NATO nation. That will open the door for N Korea to invade the south. That will open the door for NATO but too late. 

If we end up in WWIII that crazy Korean dictator can launch a nuke and China will say, "We didn't do it!".

We should not forget, when we snuck  out of Afghanistan, China and Russia walked in. Iran and Syria are in with the Russians. Iran has received Chinese advanced technology. Will we protect Iraq form Iran?

With an alliance this size, the global energy supply is under their control and they have all the resources they need. The Yen would be their global currency. We can place all the sanctions we want on that alliance it won't matter. 

We shut down our pipe lines and curtailed drilling, brilliant! We played right into Putin's hand!

BTW, I was speaking with my daughter in Finland yesterday, she ask if they invade, what could she do? Her husband has made it clear, he will fight, she can take the kids and leave but, he will stay. Later she texted me, "Dad, you may need to come get the kids, I'm going to cook."  

I'm shipping her bug out bag this coming week. My daughter is a bad @$$!

God help us!

Bigslug

Anybody else foresee Biden adopting either of these:





I'm 100% convinced the Afghanistan pull-out invited the Ukraine invasion, and will likely invite an invasion of Taiwan - "If the U.S. won't follow through on their OWN war because they got tired, they certainly won't do anything tangible to stop US".

Thing is, I can't really put all that much blame on Biden.  A better statesman would be working to convince his nation of what's in its geopolitical interests, but the fact remains that not many people are eager to have their asses shot off for folks in a mud hut on the other side of the globe.  War has to come to their doorstep to wake them up, and 9/11 is rapidly becoming a "past generation's" event.

That old maxim of not learning the lessons of history?  Ummmm. . .yeah.  We still kinda suck at that.

Tugar

Varmintmist said:

They dont need M4's, they needed SAM's to stop the Ruskies from resupplying and stingers for the helicopters and anything that would kill a tank.

Here here! Amen and seconded. 

Tugar

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-marine-sacrificed-life-detonate-bridge-stop-russians-2022-2?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sf-insider-main&fbclid=IwAR3z-43azb0K84Q-jOdBIrkHlhSdTyGngKO9hleS8xgEXg-YXLIJN5tUoes

JKP

Apparently Germany has pledged anti tank weapons and some stingers. Not sure how quickly they can delivery to the field. 

Wambli Ska

Javelins and Stingers and keep them coming.  

Varmintmist

Bigslug said:

I'm 100% convinced the Afghanistan pull-out invited the Ukraine invasion, and will likely invite an invasion of Taiwan - "If the U.S. won't follow through on their OWN war because they got tired, they certainly won't do anything tangible to stop US".

Thing is, I can't really put all that much blame on Biden.

That old maxim of not learning the lessons of history?  Ummmm. . .yeah.  We still kinda suck at that.

I can.

When he killed the energy independence of the US any opposing leader knew that the US just put themselves in an untenable position. That day Putin set out to make us dependent on Ruskie oil. We caved on the Norstream 2 and that made Germany dependent of Ruskie oil since Germany went woke green and found out it doesnt work and we can no longer supply their NG. Followed closely by bailing on Afghanistan in a way that hurt not only our people, but signaled a sea change in the way the US does foreign policy, and reduced our stature with out allies who we bent over.

He has been more interested in putting a guy in a womens admiral uniform (Richard Levine is still Richard Levine, if he doesnt have the guts to change his name, I dont have to even consider him a girl), throwing Americans out of jobs, getting a racist agenda passed, making the military weaker, and generally pursuing any policy to weaken the US simutainously dumbing down the population so that they dont understand that a psycho commie in charge if a boat load of nukes with no intention to stay within his boarders is a bad thing.

Under the former pres, the US armed forces killed more Russian military (they were anywhere from 10 to 350 "mercs" with Russian armor killed) than at any time is decades. Putin was also told that if he invaded Ukraine, Moscow would be hit. The NATO countries had to step up and fund themselves, and the US could supply their energy so Putin couldnt strangle them.

Wambli Ska

I ❤️ Her!!!!  Can we trade her for the entire “squad”?!?!?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-parliament-member-more-surprises-putin-army

Diver43

Tugar said:

Varmintmist said:

They dont need M4's, they needed SAM's to stop the Ruskies from resupplying and stingers for the helicopters and anything that would kill a tank.

Here here! Amen and seconded. 

The Javelins we sent are doing a good job. We need to send more.
The Russians are building steel cages on top of the turrets to stop them from penetrating

Linefinder

I said this in another thread. We (the US) can do this on our own. Russias ground combat units are grouped in an area smaller than Texas. Wonderful target of opportunity. Not saying we should attack without just reason, but Putin has done exactly that.. We're in a position to destroy his military and the Russian economy in one fell swipe. Maybe even Jimmy Carter might have been tempted.

Mike

JKP

Problem with that approach is he has all of those pesky nuclear weapons. 

Bigslug

Good to see that NATO appears to be attempting to get its poop in a group.  Poland no doubt remembers, as does Germany.   German sending weapons against Russian armor. . .in Ukraine.  "Nostalgic" isn't really the right word, but there it is.

I think Putin's threat of violence as a response to the possibility of allowing Sweden and Finland to join NATO will going down as galvanizing opposition against him.  The next few days are likely to show if the big Russian bear is as big and unstoppable as it's been purported for years to be.  Interesting times, either way that goes.

Freezer

Finland received the same ultimatum as the Ukraine. They have pledged arms to the Ukraine also! A great way to give Putin the finger.  

CHIRO1989

Linefinder said:

I said this in another thread. We (the US) can do this on our own. Russias ground combat units are grouped in an area smaller than Texas. Wonderful target of opportunity. Not saying we should attack without just reason, but Putin has done exactly that.. We're in a position to destroy his military and the Russian economy in one fell swipe. Maybe even Jimmy Carter might have been tempted.

Mike

I am reading a lot of Russian troops are conscripts, he may be holding back the good stuff to see who takes the bait

GrapeApe

My thought is, he's holding back.
He wants them "back in the fold" so bombing the heck out them isn't a good idea. Neither is going into "full scale" mode and killing a large percentage of the population.

If Ukrainians continue to bloody his nose, I suspect. putin will lose it and do one of the above

Wambli Ska

He sent in a squad if Elite Chechen SF guys with 56 tanks to kill the Ukrainian President and high level cabinet members and they got SLAUGHTERED.  Reports are that Putin is beyond pissed!!!!!!

Wambli Ska

From the Daily Mail:

The armed group - famed for their barbaric violence and human rights abuses - are said to have been obliterated after their convoy of 56 tanks was blown to smithereens near Hostomel, just northeast of Kyiv, by Ukrainian missile fire on the second day of the Chechens' deployment. It is unclear how many died - but the number is likely to run into the hundreds. 

Among those said to have been wiped out was Chechen general Magomed Tushaev. He was commander of the 141th motorized national guard brigade - Chechen head of state Ramzan Kadyrov’s elite force.

Wambli Ska

Day 4 of Ukraine invasion, Russia still controls NO major populations center!

 Just saw an interview of an average civilian on the street.  He said he didn’t have a gun yet but he had his kitchen knife with him, and that if he saw a Russian Soldier on the street he’d cut his throat with it.

Yep…

breamfisher

My favorite so far is the grandmother who gave Russian soldiers sunflower seeds for their pockets. That way people would know where they were buried. 

Sunflowers are the national flower of the Ukraine.