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Putin MAY have Russia’s next Afghanistan in his hands…

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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,412 Senior Member
    My favorite so far is the grandmother who gave Russian soldiers sunflower seeds for their pockets. That way people would know where they were buried. 

    Sunflowers are the national flower of the Ukraine. 
    I saw that one!  What a woman!!! ❤️

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • FreezerFreezer Posts: 2,753 Senior Member
    .Wambli Ska said:
    My favorite so far is the grandmother who gave Russian soldiers sunflower seeds for their pockets. That way people would know where they were buried. 

    Sunflowers are the national flower of the Ukraine. 
    I saw that one!  What a woman!!! ❤️
    Great thought and wonderful gesture but I wish it was skunk weed!

    Go Granny!
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,758 Senior Member
    edited February 2022 #34
    I love and respect how so many Ukrainians are standing up to the Russians    My concern is, do they have enough weapons to stand up to the depth of what Putin has to send against them.  
    Looking at the photos of Russian tanks lined up one after another at the borders makes me wish for a wing of A-10s and AC-130s to take them out in one sweep 
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Posts: 14,104 Senior Member
    Freezer said:
    .Wambli Ska said:
    My favorite so far is the grandmother who gave Russian soldiers sunflower seeds for their pockets. That way people would know where they were buried. 

    Sunflowers are the national flower of the Ukraine. 
    I saw that one!  What a woman!!! ❤️
    Great thought and wonderful gesture but I wish it was skunk weed!

    Go Granny!
    She wants the country to look beautiful after this is done, not reek to high heaven 
    Meh.
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,863 Senior Member
    Not a lot of tactical details coming out. The English-speaking reporters all seem to be holed up with the rest of the curfewed.

    Impression I'm getting is that Putin's troops walked into an organized defense not expecting one. . .and ran out of gas on their way in

    I was expecting a ratcheting up in activity over the night - didn't happen.

    I then started thinking that if they aren't running heavy on night vision, then they'd make a classic "attack at dawn" play.  Doesn't look like that happened either.

    I think at this point I've seen about four video clips of various kinds of unexploded ordnance sticking out of the ground in classic cartoon fashion.  Are we looking at a significant portion of duds in their munitions?

    Now Putin's put his nuke forces on alert.

    A lot of signs that his military is unable, unwilling, or both, and that just got put on prominent display.

    The last Russian revolution under Yeltsin didn't really take.  Let's hope it gets another chance.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Posts: 8,305 Senior Member
    He doenst need nukes, and he doesnt need the cities. Should he choose to do so, he has enough firepower to wall up the city and flatten it with conventional artillery. The Ukrainians arent in the field, they are wadded up in nice neat packages for their rocket artillery that are fuel air bombs.
    The Ruble is dropping but he is STILL making money off his oil. As long as the world (and the US) is dependent on him, he wins. I dont think the world is ready to go to 30%+ inflation until the US starts pumping in any amount again IF we would do that. Biden cut off more oil activity DURING this invasion.

    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,412 Senior Member
    If my wife ever leaves me I’m getting me a Ukrainian chick!!!  ❤️❤️❤️


    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • mitdr774mitdr774 Posts: 1,782 Senior Member
    I would be surprised if even 25% of the US civilian population would take up arms if attacked.  That being said, I live near a big city so if they decided to nuke us I might not even have enough time to process what the flash was.  Between the oil refinery, steel production, manufacturing facilities, and decent sized airport, I could see the area as a potential target.  Not that they could really start production without a major overhaul, but one of the auto plants by me did used to be a ballistic missile production facility.  I dont think Putin is dumb enough to start launching nukes or directly attacking the US though.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,412 Senior Member
    I’d be shocked if it was 1% of US population…

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • mitdr774mitdr774 Posts: 1,782 Senior Member
    I was being optimistic.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Posts: 18,359 Senior Member
    edited February 2022 #42
    I’d be shocked if it was 1% of US population…
    Depends on where one lives I suppose...It would be hard going for an invader in the Southern, Midwest and Western states...In some of the liberal bastions about the country....not so much...

    I mean...I know some old boys in Kansas that already know how to dig anti-tank ditches, know where to place them and have the equipment to do it...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • GrapeApeGrapeApe Posts: 585 Senior Member
    The whole "urban" vs. "country" thing
    "For longer range, use a bigger case. For bigger game, use a bigger bullet." - Dan Johnson
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Posts: 18,359 Senior Member
    San Francisco would probably throw a welcome parade...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,412 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    I’d be shocked if it was 1% of US population…
    Depends on where one lives I suppose...It would be hard going for an invader in the Southern, Midwest and Western states...In some of the liberal bastions about the country....not so much...

    I mean...I know some old boys in Kansas that already know how to dig anti-tank ditches, know where to place them and have the equipment to do it...
    Agreed!   Individuaks would fight but 10,000,000 in New York City would cry themselves to sleep hoping for kindness from their new masters.  I even suspect some states would organize and  form their own military.  But again, the whole west coast would take about a week to organize that welcome party.

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • JKPJKP Posts: 2,771 Senior Member
    If my wife ever leaves me I’m getting me a Ukrainian chick!!!  ❤️❤️❤️


    Nice photo op but I don't think those airsoft rounds are going to do much damage. 
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Posts: 12,429 Senior Member
    Honestly, there is not a ‘side’ to support in this fight.  The Ukrainian govt and president are pretty damn corrupt (The pres shut down media that was against him and imprisoned political opponents), and the Russian Govt is pretty much identical.

    The Russian troops are for the most part conscripts that don’t have a choice of being there, and the Ukrainian people… well, they are being invaded.

    I support the Ukrainian people, and I wish the Russian troops were not being forced at gunpoint to invade.  I guess I’m on the side of ‘Good lord, please dont let this spill out to be World War 5”. (FYI, WWIII was the Cold War [we won] and WWIV was the GWOT[we lost])

    And I wish our dirtbag leaders had enough spine to keep crap like this from happening.  
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,412 Senior Member
    JKP said:
    If my wife ever leaves me I’m getting me a Ukrainian chick!!!  ❤️❤️❤️


    Nice photo op but I don't think those airsoft rounds are going to do much damage. 
    There’s a gun in that picture?!?!?  Oh yeah, ha!

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • JKPJKP Posts: 2,771 Senior Member
    On Snake Island 13 Border Guards were killed by a Russian Navy boat that told them to surrender.  The final excanhge of communications, KNOWING they were about to die:

    “A Russian warship issued a warning to the Ukrainian border guards at Zmiinyi Island – also known as Snake Island – only to be told by one of the guards, "Russian Warship, go f--- yourself." “

    The audio is out there in the net…
    Also fake news...lots of propaganda out there that's proving to be false.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Posts: 8,305 Senior Member
    JKP said:

    Also fake news...lots of propaganda out there that's proving to be false.
    They didnt get killed, that seems it was propaganda.

    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Posts: 8,305 Senior Member
    Honestly, there is not a ‘side’ to support in this fight.  The Ukrainian govt and president are pretty damn corrupt (The pres shut down media that was against him and imprisoned political opponents), and the Russian Govt is pretty much identical.

    And I wish our dirtbag leaders had enough spine to keep crap like this from happening.  

    Kinda agree, however, Ukraine is/was a democracy. In the whole scheme of things a pretty young one whom the West has played games with since the fall of the USSR telling them they must stop the corruption, while western leaders and companies personally kept it in place to make money off the corruption. Hunter is only one glaring example.

    The US has political prisoners also, remember Jan 6? Even if those folks are found guilty of trespassing, there are being held w/o bond for a year and having their lives ruined because of politics. Not the first time either. The BEF protest where protesters were killed and wounded by the US Army and Macarthur using tanks.(govt reneging on promise) Shays rebellion,Govt reneging on promise) Geo Washington and the fed govt. overtaxed whiskey producers in Western PA and then sent in Federal troops because he felt he had a personal claim to the area since he surveyed it. Govt creating tax system to do away with small operations) Of course he started the French and Indian war while he was surveying it for the British, but...There was and is (BLM treatment EG) a lot of malfeasance done by the US govt against its people.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Posts: 18,359 Senior Member
    Back during the Cold War, it was a given that if you popped a nuke in anger, there would be a response in kind...The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction kept folks from doing anything stupid for a long time....though there were a few times it came close....

    Today...I'm starting to believe that Vlad could nuke a target...even an American city, just to prove his point, and the liberal hand-wringers in charge would let him get away with it....

    My sincere hope is that the Russian people will rise up and put an end to this nonsense...

    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • LinefinderLinefinder Posts: 7,856 Senior Member
    "My sincere hope is that the Russian people will rise up and put an end to this nonsense"...Jayhawker.
     
    My biggest fear is that he'll "allow" some regimental level commander to fire a small-yield tactical use nuc....all bets are off then.

    As you, I'm hoping the Russian people take care of this...soon and without warning.

    Mike


    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,863 Senior Member
    "My sincere hope is that the Russian people will rise up and put an end to this nonsense"...Jayhawker.

    As you, I'm hoping the Russian people take care of this...soon and without warning.

    Mike


    Two possibilities along those lines. . .

    The people string up Putin and the oligarchy by their thumbs.

    OR. . .

    The oligarchy, wanting to stay rich and comfy, takes care of Putin before that comes to pass.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • bklysenbklysen Posts: 525 Senior Member
    I must confess that I know little about war and tactics.....as I watch the stories unfold about Russia's bombing residential areas of Ukraine pretty indiscriminately, how is it that this 40-mile long convoy of Russia's equipment is not being ripped apart from the air? Rip the head of the snake off much as we saw in places like Iraq? It's a head scratcher to me. 
  • zorbazorba Posts: 25,283 Senior Member
    To compare Russias' invasion of Afghanistan to that of the Ukraine is apples/oranges, IMHO opinion. Afghans, for the most part, had no electricity, no sewer systems, no running water, no central government, etc. They had no reason to fight except for the thrill of it. Ukraine has all of that to loose and I doubt you'll see them resist on a large-scale basis for long.

    It's easier to occupy "civilized" nations than tribal ones.

    Mike
    We tend to look at things through our lens.  Americans are beyond civilized.  Most of the folks in our metropolitan areas have been “pusssyfied”.  Nationalism is a bad word in our country nowadays.


    Pussified and effete. Too worried about smartphones, **** car tech, and social media to give a damn about reality. Americans have taken the blue pill - in more ways than one...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • PFDPFD Posts: 1,898 Senior Member
    bklysen said:
    I must confess that I know little about war and tactics.....as I watch the stories unfold about Russia's bombing residential areas of Ukraine pretty indiscriminately, how is it that this 40-mile long convoy of Russia's equipment is not being ripped apart from the air? Rip the head of the snake off much as we saw in places like Iraq? It's a head scratcher to me. 
    If you figure that 1 out will you go to work on why America is buying millions of dollars worth of oil from Russia everyday?
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Posts: 8,305 Senior Member
    You need aircraft and weapons for them. What planes Ukraine has are engaged.

    They arent the US, they dont have infantry backed by armor with artillery and air support in the form of tank killers who are covered by carrier based aircraft.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • FreezerFreezer Posts: 2,753 Senior Member
    Nobody has a plane like the US A10 Warthog!
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Posts: 10,939 Senior Member
    Freezer said:
    Nobody has a plane like the US A10 Warthog!
    Can't use them when the air is full of Sukhoi's & MIG's......
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Posts: 1,782 Senior Member
    The SU-25 Frogfoot is probably its closest competition.  They both have advantages over the other.
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