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mitdr774mitdr774 MemberPosts: 1,775 Senior Member
Browsing through one of my usual places to look for powder, brass, and bullets I came across some new Remington 700 rifles.  I did hem and haw a bit about it as I'm usually leery of companies that are purchased and brought back from dead.  It felt like a 700 does and at least appears to be not a pile of crap.  It is a Remington 700 Mountain SS in 6.5 Creedmoor.  As best as I can figure it has a Bell and Carlson stock on it.  I have not pulled it out of the stock yet to look for any markings though.  It just has the look and feel of one.  I managed to find a set of Warner bases and I already had a set of Leupold PRW2 rings and  4-12x40 VX Freedom scope on the shelf.  Now to find time to get it to a range along with a few others that need loads sorted out.



I also managed to pick up pound of AutoComp and 100 pieces of Sig .30-06 brass.  I already have 200 pieces of Sig .270 brass for conversion to 6.5-06, so these will be used for either my brother in laws or my .30-06.  He might be getting a bunch of my hand loads in Hornady brass once I confirm his rifle will duplicate 1/2" 3 shot groups at 100 yards with it, and make sure it's running around 3000 fps with that load.

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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Colorado!Posts: 7,719 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    Browsing through one of my usual places to look for powder, brass, and bullets I came across some new Remington 700 rifles.  I did hem and haw a bit about it as I'm usually leery of companies that are purchased and brought back from dead.  It felt like a 700 does and at least appears to be not a pile of crap.  It is a Remington 700 Mountain SS in 6.5 Creedmoor.  As best as I can figure it has a Bell and Carlson stock on it.  I have not pulled it out of the stock yet to look for any markings though.  It just has the look and feel of one.  I managed to find a set of Warner bases and I already had a set of Leupold PRW2 rings and  4-12x40 VX Freedom scope on the shelf.  Now to find time to get it to a range along with a few others that need loads sorted out.



    I also managed to pick up pound of AutoComp and 100 pieces of Sig .30-06 brass.  I already have 200 pieces of Sig .270 brass for conversion to 6.5-06, so these will be used for either my brother in laws or my .30-06.  He might be getting a bunch of my hand loads in Hornady brass once I confirm his rifle will duplicate 1/2" 3 shot groups at 100 yards with it, and make sure it's running around 3000 fps with that load.
    Looking forward to a range report. 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,662 Senior Member
    NICE!!!!  Weight?

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    edited April 2022 #4
    I have not had a chance weigh it yet.  Now I'm going to have to go dig out a bathroom scale.

    The unscientific bathroom scale method comes up as 7.8 pounds with scope.   So it's about a pound heavier than the Kimber.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,662 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    I have not had a chance weigh it yet.  Now I'm going to have to go dig out a bathroom scale.

    The unscientific bathroom scale method comes up as 7.8 pounds with scope.   So it's about a pound heavier than the Kimber.
    Not bad!!!

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    Its actually a little less than I expected.  I know the B&C stock isnt exactly a lightweight stock.  Well I'm still assuming thats what it is anyways.  I was figuring about 7.5 pounds before the scope, rings, and bases.  If it had a typical Remington plastic stock I would expect at least 1.5 pounds less than it is.  This rifle feels very stable when shouldered and I suspect a decent part of that is the little bit of extra weight it has.
  • gunner81gunner81 Member Posts: 655 Senior Member
    I found a Rem 870 shotgun that I found cleaning up somewhere and put it all together for a deer shotgun just in case where I live its shotgun only hunting   and I have a slug bbl from another gun that I can put on it I  also found an old Weaver 1.5 x 6 x 40 scope off of something I removed how big of a PITA is it to have a shotgun drilled and tapped for a scope and how expensive because I will probably never use it as things are now BUT????
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Colorado!Posts: 7,719 Senior Member
    gunner81 said:
    I found a Rem 870 shotgun that I found cleaning up somewhere and put it all together for a deer shotgun just in case where I live its shotgun only hunting   and I have a slug bbl from another gun that I can put on it I  also found an old Weaver 1.5 x 6 x 40 scope off of something I removed how big of a PITA is it to have a shotgun drilled and tapped for a scope and how expensive because I will probably never use it as things are now BUT????
    Old weaver you say? I love those old scopes.  Do an Amazon search an 870 scope no drill mount can be had for $35. 
    If you don’t like that weaver I can revoke itnfor you! 😉
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 28,077 Senior Member
    I’ve found the new Remington rifles to have a better finish in appearance and  feel than their recent predecessors. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    It feels like a solid product.  Worst case if it turns out to be a dud I can have the action worked over to correct any deficiencies and then rebarrel to something else.  I am optimistic that is is better than the tail end of the pre bankruptcy production though.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,709 Senior Member
    They continued to do far better with the 700 than they did with the 870, IMO.  At least with the 700, all they have to do is turn out a round action and a round barrel with the bore running more or less down the center, and since those parts are all steel, the finish and stock were about the only places for going cheap.

    I am still waiting to see my first products from the "New" outfit.  The commercial market 870 currently has little direction to go but up.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    I still have yet to see a new 870.  I know that my 20 year old 870 has a far better fit and finish than my dads much more recent 870.
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    NICE!!!!  Weight?
    Per a Lyman digital trigger pull gauge, 7 pounds 10.9 ounces.  How accurate of a method this is I am not sure, but it's probably closer than the bathroom scale method.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Central MNPosts: 14,673 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    gunner81 said:
    I found a Rem 870 shotgun that I found cleaning up somewhere and put it all together for a deer shotgun just in case where I live its shotgun only hunting   and I have a slug bbl from another gun that I can put on it I  also found an old Weaver 1.5 x 6 x 40 scope off of something I removed how big of a PITA is it to have a shotgun drilled and tapped for a scope and how expensive because I will probably never use it as things are now BUT????
    Old weaver you say? I love those old scopes.  Do an Amazon search an 870 scope no drill mount can be had for $35. 
    If you don’t like that weaver I can revoke itnfor you! 😉
    Buy an aluminum one, not a plastic one, too much flex in the plastic for slug guns to hold a zero, they are saddles that come with extra long pins for the trigger assembly holes.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Texas as soon as I can get there.Posts: 1,629 Senior Member
    How are the NewCo Remington’s marked?  Can you post a picture?
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    Which markings are you looking for?  I will see what I can come up with on the barrel and receiver.

  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    Well, it may not be a product of new Remington after all.  While I have not seen this rifle on the new gun rack prior to the day I purchased it, I did find a date sticker covering another date sticker on the box.  The bottom sticker shows a date of 1-6-21 while the newer one is 3-3-22.  Now I am of course assuming these are date stickers (1 6 21, and 030322).


  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    edited May 2022 #18
    I do not feel that this is actually a new Remington, but instead an old one that someone found in the back of a warehouse somewhere and shipped out to a retailer.  I did get it to the range today for some load work.  I figure that with two rifles in the same chambering I should find some way to keep my brass separated, so I picked up some Sig brass to use with this rifle while the Kimber will use Hornady or Nosler brass for now.  I do also have a new donor 700 ADL in 6.5CM, but it will most likely be sent for a rebarreling before I even test fire it.  It is for sure a new Remington.

    I tried some loads using 129gr and 140gr InterLock bullets and StaBALL 6.5 powder as I can get it more easily than H4350 and its supposed to work well in the 6.5 CM.  The 129gr loads were a waste of components.  Managed to get velocity into the high 2800s, but I wouldnt risk any of the loads at game past 100 yards due to the group sizes and shapes.  This is not a huge surprise since the powder is supposed to be better suited to heavier bullets in the cartridges it is supposed to work in.  Didnt bother taking any pictures of the groups or even measuring them.

    The 140gr loads were a different story with some good and not so good.  I had two groups that would be acceptable, one that with some work could probably be tightened up a little, and two that were not acceptable.  The two acceptable ones just under 2600fps for the slow one and just over 2700fps for the faster one.  I was hoping for a little more speed to get closer to what Hornady suggests, but I also have 2" less barrel than their test rifle.  





  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Between Ft Lauderdale and MiamiPosts: 12,566 Senior Member
    What a shame, thought we were getting some good info
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    The more I handle it the more I lean toward it not being New Remington.  I do have a New Remington 700 ADL that will end up with a different barrel on it though.  Hard to give impressions on it when I dont plan on shooting it prior to changing it.  

    For being Old Remington I have to say I am surprised at how it is shooting.  I have heard too many horror stories and experience with my own 700-AAC that was a .300 BO that I dont expect much from late Old Remington production rifles.
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,775 Senior Member
    Kind of an update on new Remington.  I purchased a .30-06 24" ADL that I converted into a BDL with a take off synthetic stock (probably old Remington) and Wyatt's Outdoors bottom metal.  I was slightly limited on time to get a load worked up and settled on a load that would hold about a 3/4" group at 100 yards fairly consistently and at 200 yards I could usually keep it under 1 1/2" (3 shot groups for either distance).  It worked well driving a Hornady 150gr InterLock at 3100 fps.  One shot dropped my pronghorn at 250 yards, but pronghorn are not that hard to put down.  

    I may play with this rifle some more, or I may rebarrel it to something I don't already have several of.

    I was going to use my M98 .30-06, but something went wrong with my brother in law's scope so I let him borrow it.  That's why I had to rush load development a little with the R700.  I had him shooting 1/2 groups at 100 yards pushing a 150gr InterLock at 3000 fps.  It took him two tries to hit a pronghorn.......
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