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  • PFDPFD Posts: 1,901 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Zee said:
    My work gun was actually a modified M14. It still had the selector rod sticking out the right side. I guess that’s what it was. 
    Basically served the same function as the auto sear in an M16. In the final bit of forward travel just before locking up the bolt, the charging handle would tap that rod which linked back to make the rifle do the Happy Dance.
    Didn't it require a tool to work that rod to go full happy?
    Was it immediately selectable by the user?
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,875 Senior Member
    They had a knob or key directly under the rear of the op-rod track, and you will see the cutout for it on surplus stocks.  It seems to have been common doctrine to remove that key from the rifles once it was determined that the M14 was never going to be a legitimate replacement for a BAR.

    With all the parts:



    With the switch removed:


    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Gene LGene L Posts: 12,817 Senior Member
    As I remember it, the issue ones had the capability of full auto fire with a "key" that a squad leader was supposed to have for the ability to designate "automatic riflemen" although I never saw one.  The designated ones had a bipod, a wooden pistol grip stock and a front sling attachment that you could pull down to fight recoil.  Not that any of this worked.  The rate of fire was so fast it was hard to get a three round burst, and after one round, the muzzle climbed out of all reasonable effect.

    You can get used wooden stocks for the M 1A pretty cheap if you're willing to accept dings and scratches.  You can get a cherry one too, but it costs a lot more.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    They had a knob or key directly under the rear of the op-rod track, and you will see the cutout for it on surplus stocks.  It seems to have been common doctrine to remove that key from the rifles once it was determined that the M14 was never going to be a legitimate replacement for a BAR.

    With all the parts:



    With the switch removed:


    That bottom pic is what mine looked like. At least the first one that I remember. I ended up having two before they got ditched. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    edited June 2022 #36
    I dug around in a cabinet at work and found a new leather “military style” sling for it. 
    I hate them, but it looks good on the rifle. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,875 Senior Member
    We had a ray of hope - I dunno. . .25-30 years ago - that the socket to accept that key could be milled off the bottom of the receiver, thus eliminating the full auto capability, and they could have then been sold as surplus "M1A's" much like the DCM/CMP does with Garands.

    But no. . .the "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" NFA rule was applied. :'(

    Find one of the green canvas slings with the QD clip for the rear swivel - - probably more authentic than an M1907 for that beastie. 
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    edited June 2022 #38
    “Free.99” wins. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,875 Senior Member
    You gonna dope in the irons before you mount the glass?

    As I recall, 8 clicks up from absolute bottom is your 100 or 200 yard zero.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Gene LGene L Posts: 12,817 Senior Member
    We had the green web sling, which is a good one.  Not as good as a leather military sling, but not bad at all. 
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,875 Senior Member
    It was always a bit of a "pick your poison" thing with me.  The M1907 was always this pretty thing, but bulky, heavy, expensive, and a pain to adjust.  The green canvas was cheap, light, fast to adjust and turn into a cuff sling, but noisy on the back swivel and sometimes prone to come off of it.  It's my usual go-to for anything with a 1.25" set of swivels.

    Ya know, I've never been able to track down a military designation and year of adoption for the canvas sling.  Was it simply the M1 sling for the M1 rifle?
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Gene LGene L Posts: 12,817 Senior Member
    I think the M1 sling was leather.  I don't know this, however.  The canvas sling is slightly easier to get into but isn't as solid once you do get into it.  It's lighter in weight than leather and more weather-resistant.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    You gonna dope in the irons before you mount the glass?

    As I recall, 8 clicks up from absolute bottom is your 100 or 200 yard zero.
    I want to find out what ammo the rifle likes first. Gonna use the scope for that. Then, I can pop it off, zero the irons, and return the scope. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Posts: 18,363 Senior Member
    edited June 2022 #44
    Gene L said:
    As I remember it, the issue ones had the capability of full auto fire with a "key" that a squad leader was supposed to have for the ability to designate "automatic riflemen" although I never saw one.  The designated ones had a bipod, a wooden pistol grip stock and a front sling attachment that you could pull down to fight recoil.  Not that any of this worked.  The rate of fire was so fast it was hard to get a three round burst, and after one round, the muzzle climbed out of all reasonable effect.


    That was the M-14E2. We had a couple in our arms room in Korea in 72/73...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member

    I might have it on wrong. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member
    Here you go…. 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member
    That is a great rifle! Congratulations!!
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,875 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I might have it on wrong. 
    Slightly.  Elk Creek's got it right.  Your rear section needs to be reversed on the pass through loop of the front section.  The hooks of the rear section insert through the FRONT of the rear stock swivel, then wrap back forward.  Front and rear hooks should be facing the same direction on the outside of the sling.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    Oops. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    edited June 2022 #50
    Got the scope base cleaned of krylon. Just waiting on the side screws from Smith Enterprise. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member
    Nice! Looking good! 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    Much better. 
    You guys are so smart. 😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Much better. 
    You guys are so smart. 😁
    I’m good at following directions, typically….🤣
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,875 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    You guys are so smart. 😁
    Years of training in a Shao Lin monastery. ;)
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Much better. 
    You guys are so smart. 😁
    I’m good at following directions, typically….🤣
    I just look at pictures. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Much better. 
    You guys are so smart. 😁
    I’m good at following directions, typically….🤣
    I just look at pictures. 
    🤣
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,435 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Much better. 
    You guys are so smart. 😁
    I’m good at following directions, typically….🤣
    I just look at pictures. 
    Oh no….  They took away your crayons again?!?!?  🤬

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • GilaGila Posts: 1,973 Senior Member
    edited June 2022 #59
    Zee said:
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Much better. 
    You guys are so smart. 😁
    I’m good at following directions, typically….🤣
    I just look at pictures. 
    Oh no….  They took away your crayons again?!?!?  🤬
    He ate them...  :D
    No good deed goes unpunished...
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,449 Senior Member
    They have crayons?!?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Much better. 
    You guys are so smart. 😁
    I’m good at following directions, typically….🤣
    I just look at pictures. 
    🤣
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
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