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ezzrider
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New extremely thin Heizer DOUBLETAP handgun
ezzrider
Posts: 63 Member
I just saw and handled the new Heizer DOUBLETAP over-under .45 ACP handgun this week. It is a derringer type handgun with a new type of trigger. It carries two shells in the handle in addition to the two in the barrels. It is the thinnest handgun I have ever seen at only .665″. You can get it ported or non ported. They have designed a new type of porting that does not reduce bullet velocity. They told me their are 7 patents pending. You can put it in your pocket and it does not bulge out anymore than a cell phone. You absolutely can't tell it is in your pocket for concealed carry. The manufacturer admits that your hand will be sore after shooting the handgun due the very small size but advises if ya have to use it to save your life some soreness the next day will not matter. They say this is not a handgun to take to the range and shoot a box of shells. This is for self defense. It comes in either .45 ACP or 9 MM in aluminum and titanium. The aluminum is the lightest. The manufacturer advised that dealers are buying these up for their own personal use and it is hard to keep up with the demand. This is a neat looking handgun and definitely the new kid on the block. http://heizerfirearms.com/
Note: I also put this in the Personal Defense forum as I was not certain which forum was appropriate.
Note: I also put this in the Personal Defense forum as I was not certain which forum was appropriate.
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Cartridges go in a gun.
You are correct but I have just always called them shells.
Cartridges go in a rifle or handgun:deadhorse::tooth:
I know what I'm doing, it just doesn't look like it.
With all of the smartphones that people are using nowadays, you could stick a Glock 26 in your pocket, and nobody would notice.
Sorry, but I just don't have a use for a defensive piece that only affords me two rounds before a reload.
There was a time in human history when single shot and double shot firearms were popular because they were the only game in town and they did in fact kill a lot of people. But in those days, in addition to the gun, most carried a pretty hefty pig sticker too, because you had to have something to fight with while your opponent was bleeding out and you were standing there with an unloaded weapon.
Even chambered in the "vaunted" .45acp, a "two-shoot" gun is a abysmal choice for a primary self defense weapon. It's simply not a "thinking man's" choice.It can serve a roll, however. In the scenario where one has been disarmed of their primary and has this as a back up perhaps. I have to tell you, people absorb a lot of lead sometimes, and if all you have is two shots, you might find someone strangling the life out of you after you've hit them centermass and their brain hasn't made the connection.
What I'm trying to say is, two shot derringers are not obsolete, but few people consider them serious competition to reasonably priced multi-shot weapons that have greater application, flexibility and defensive merit. I wouldn't trust my life to one, unless I could poke it into the other guy's face before I pulled the trigger.
Dan
There was a time in human history when single shot and double shot firearms were popular because they were the only game in town and they did in fact kill a lot of people. But in those days, in addition to the gun, most carried a pretty hefty pig sticker too, because you had to have something to fight with while your opponent was bleeding out and you were standing there with an unloaded weapon.
Even chambered in the "vaunted" .45acp, a "two-shoot" gun is a abysmal choice for a primary self defense weapon. It's simply not a "thinking man's" choice.It can serve a roll, however. In the scenario where one has been disarmed of their primary and has this as a back up perhaps. I have to tell you, people absorb a lot of lead sometimes, and if all you have is two shots, you might find someone strangling the life out of you after you've hit them centermass and their brain hasn't made the connection.
What I'm trying to say is, two shot derringers are not obsolete, but few people consider them serious competition to reasonably priced multi-shot weapons that have greater application, flexibility and defensive merit. I wouldn't trust my life to one, unless I could poke it into the other guy's face before I pulled the trigger.
Now for nomenclature. We are generally a serious group of shooters and firearms enthusiasts. I don't consider myself a snob, but I like to suggest to people who frequent gun boards, that using proper terminology identifies someone as a person who has given considerable time and effort to being serious about the sport. Clips vs magazines, shells vs cartridges, bullets vs cartridges, safeties vs hammer drops, chambers vs cylinders and so on and so forth.
Just because you have always "called" them shells, doesn't mean you should continue to do so out of habit. To continue to do so, even after knowing the proper terminology is just a little disrespectful of the sport. There are tons of internet commandos making Youtube videos who frankly scare the crap out of me. This place is a nice, safe environment to come to to converse with like-minded people who are serious about the firearms craft. All are welcome to join in, but not everyone will be taken seriously and you can expect a ton of good natured ribbing.
Regards
Dan
The Heizer in novel......as in novelty. Get a serious handgun. Small isn't better in many cases. Take the NAA mini-revolver. Real small, but I won't be my life on one.
http://www.impactguns.com/ruger-lc9-9-mm-blued-finish-3200-736676032006.aspx
Winston Churchill
Thanks for the tip. I have also normally called magazines "clips". Another technical mistake on my part I guess and most likely shows my age a bit. I have found over the years people use a variety of nomenclature to describe various firearms related items. I guess in the end as long as you know what they are talking about you are ok. If I was promoting some sort of expert opinion (which I am not) then maybe more accurate descriptions are needed. I was/am just trying to describe a new firearm I saw at a show this week and not provide an expert opinion. I also included a link to the manufacturers web site for a more complete description if needed or wanted. Where I come from the term shells or bullets are used as a general discription of all firearms ammunition. But point well taken. Here is a link to the manufacturers site for a more accurate description if needed. http://heizerfirearms.com/
I'm not belittling your choice, carry what you want. Just trying to get you thinking.
Winston Churchill
Regards
Dan
My Missouri family calls loaded ammo "bullets".
DPRMD
I have yet to see the Derringer of My dreams, chambered for a short round, a short .44 or 45 rimmed cartridge.
Shotshells go in a shotgun.
You still find shells on the beach. :tooth:
These were FFLs and firearms industry members looking at these handguns and standing 6 and 7 deep not a bunch of "amateurs". This show was not open to the general public. That was sort of my point. FFLs who can purchase and own anything they want were buying these for themselves and their wives as well as for resale. These FFLs are not going to purchase firearms they consider worthless or that they do not believe they can sell in their stores. Every firearms manufacturer was at this show and this one generated a lot of interest among the FFLs.
Dan
I can't get excited about a 2-shot derringer. I've got a Kahr, which isn't much wider than the derringer, if it's that wide, and it holds a bunch of rounds. (just to throw another word into the mix.) It's a novel gun, like that "smallest in the world .45" you had to work the slide on manually, can't remember the name. Like any new gun that's got an advertising budget, it'll probably appear in magazines, touting its remarkable attributes, then it'll fade away.
A hundred and fifty years ago, it would have made quite a stir. Ezz, you need to grow a thicker skin if you're going to hang around here. Dr. Who is indeed a PITA (as he says) but that's only part time and to people who know him. You haven't know him long enough.
Guys, we need to think about how we treat people who come in seeking knowledge and offering honest information.
As a side note, if I had the cash to blow, something the size of the Heizer would make a great ankle gun as a backup. At $700, it's a bit steep. And let's be honest. Great it shows people look. People buying is another story.
Like I said before, when someone looks at the specs compared to other guns, the Doubletap doesn't stack up well. The Ruger LC9 is just a tad larger in all dimensions, weighs 3 ounces more ( granted, unloaded), and comes with much more firepower for half the money. Most of us argue 9mm versus .45acp, but I'd take 8 rounds of 9mm Para over 2 rounds of .45acp.
Winston Churchill
Yep you are probably right. Thicker skin on my part. I am old school and the worst insult you can do is question a persons honor and say they are not telling the Truth. You know I was simply attempting to pass along some information to other forum members and I got attacked to the point that I was not telling the Truth. When I first saw this handgun I also thought it was a novelty item but the response I saw from FFLs and firearms industry members astounded me. I personally saw the FFL orders being handed over to the manufacturer at their booth. Whether this handgun is or is not successful has no benefit to me at all. All other criticism aside it is the thinnest handgun I have ever held and put in my pocket and it shoots a .45 ACP. We all questioned the two shot capability with a 2 shot reloading strip on the handle. Time will tell if this is successful or not.
Thanks Tugar. I agree as a backup. If you ever have a chance and find one of these in your local gun store take a look. It is different and made 100% in the USA which cannot be said for many firearms these days.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.