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New safety for Glock 17. Is it possible for perfection to be improved?

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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,448 Senior Member
    I am hoping very soon to go and drop it into a real Glock and dry-fire test it to work out any "kinks" and after that go to the range and put it through at least a few hundred rounds to see how it will react to foiling and how comfortable is going to be on the hand.
    I’m actually curious in how it works out.

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • die_hardgunnutdie_hardgunnut Posts: 18 New Member
    Thank you, I am absolutely amazed that American gun owners are less vicious than Canadian gun owners toward this device, even though in Canada there is no CCW and the only place you can take your gun is the range after you get a permit to do so too.

    Anyway, my friend tested it in his Glock. He is a former NCO so I value his opinion. He tested it with no gloves and the magnet in the web of his hand is not a problem, the trigger was good with the new spring but something goes wrong after the first shot, and the gun cannot go into safety mode. So before the shot works fine. I needed this live testing for sure. I will keep you posted how it goes.
  • centermass556centermass556 Posts: 3,618 Senior Member
    Bro,

    I'm not gonna crap your creative spirit.
    But, I am going to tell you that Glock designed their guns specifically without a safety to reduce the amount of things that could go wrong in an engagement. 
    Several others have said it, so I am not going to continue to beat the dead horse...but, this is an extremely niche solution, for a very small portion of a profession. I also don't know if the statistical data even shows a need for something like this. 

    On the other side of the coin, this is a very dangerous road to go down. especially in a country like Canada, that has a very narrow view of handguns. If this technology becomes available, whats to stop the government from requiring ALL handguns to have to this safety device?

    Also, being an NCO, I can tell you that not all NCOs are created equally. I wouldn't trust a good quarter of the NCOs in the American Army to lead ants to a sugar cube....
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,448 Senior Member

    I wouldn't trust a good quarter of the NCOs in the American Army to lead ants to a sugar cube....
    I soooooo stealing this (and adapting to my company) for my next staff meeting…. 🤣🤣🤣

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,777 Senior Member
    Bro,

    I'm not gonna crap your creative spirit.
    But, I am going to tell you that Glock designed their guns specifically without a safety to reduce the amount of things that could go wrong in an engagement. 
    Several others have said it, so I am not going to continue to beat the dead horse...but, this is an extremely niche solution, for a very small portion of a profession. I also don't know if the statistical data even shows a need for something like this. 

    On the other side of the coin, this is a very dangerous road to go down. especially in a country like Canada, that has a very narrow view of handguns. If this technology becomes available, whats to stop the government from requiring ALL handguns to have to this safety device?

    Also, being an NCO, I can tell you that not all NCOs are created equally. I wouldn't trust a good quarter of the NCOs in the American Army to lead ants to a sugar cube....
    Very well said and true.
    Sadly I have to agree with your comment about our Army's NCO Corps. Until I retired in July, I worked with all ranks of every service on a daily basis.  A co-worker and I were considered "old school" Military guys that understood.  Most today can care less about anyone but themself and don't hesitate to make another look bad
    Anyways, this truly is a solution for a subject that is not an issue
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • SpkSpk Posts: 4,841 Senior Member
    I'll wait for the gun fob.








    Kidding folks! I just wanted to give Bigslug heartburn 😫
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,448 Senior Member
    edited November 2022 #38
    Diver43 said:
    Bro,

    I'm not gonna crap your creative spirit.
    But, I am going to tell you that Glock designed their guns specifically without a safety to reduce the amount of things that could go wrong in an engagement. 
    Several others have said it, so I am not going to continue to beat the dead horse...but, this is an extremely niche solution, for a very small portion of a profession. I also don't know if the statistical data even shows a need for something like this. 

    On the other side of the coin, this is a very dangerous road to go down. especially in a country like Canada, that has a very narrow view of handguns. If this technology becomes available, whats to stop the government from requiring ALL handguns to have to this safety device?

    Also, being an NCO, I can tell you that not all NCOs are created equally. I wouldn't trust a good quarter of the NCOs in the American Army to lead ants to a sugar cube....
    Very well said and true.
    Sadly I have to agree with your comment about our Army's NCO Corps. Until I retired in July, I worked with all ranks of every service on a daily basis.  A co-worker and I were considered "old school" Military guys that understood.  Most today can care less about anyone but themself and don't hesitate to make another look bad
    Anyways, this truly is a solution for a subject that is not an issue
    Not just NCOs.  My son is constantly telling me stories about the crap he needs to deal with from his young new guys and all I have to say is DAMN!!! 😱

    Apparently 18 is the new 12…

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • die_hardgunnutdie_hardgunnut Posts: 18 New Member
    A lil update, we tested it. The problem was the locking pin, it was a bit too long and was snagging on the walls of the frame. I shorten it and worked flawlessly after that.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,456 Senior Member

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JKPJKP Posts: 2,776 Senior Member
    There are plenty of striker fired pistols with superfluous and likely ill advised manual safeties. No need to screw with a perfectly good Glock...
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member
    Zee said:

    Watched that the other night…..
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,877 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    I'll wait for the gun fob.

    By way of my new Tacoma, you can do all that stuff from your phone now.  I don't, and am not really sure why you'd want to, having been on the road over 30 years without it, but you can.

    All the more reason to keep your phone on the opposite side of your body from your gun. :D
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,448 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:

    Watched that the other night…..
    Watch it at least once a year and always find new stuff I missed before.

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • die_hardgunnutdie_hardgunnut Posts: 18 New Member

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,456 Senior Member
    edited March 7 #46
    Or……..don’t be stupid. Like that guy. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,456 Senior Member

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?
    I’m at a loss for words to describe your justification. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Posts: 18,364 Senior Member
    Zee said:

    This.....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,935 Senior Member

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?
    Or, have situational awareness and some form of weapon retention, any of either would have helped……. Don’t worry it was a Raven, lorcan, high point, Jennings or possible a charter arms tiger stripe for the high roller……. 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,877 Senior Member

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?

    Personally, I'd prefer a phone app that lets you key in a self destruct code taking the stolen gun (or perhaps even "bait" property") and anything else in a 5-foot radius to "Funkytown":.

    Responding cop:  "Which way did he go?"

    Me:  Beep beep beep boop beep, boop beep beep beep boop. . . BOOM!  "That way Officer.  See the smoke?" ;)
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,448 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?

    Personally, I'd prefer a phone app that lets you key in a self destruct code taking the stolen gun (or perhaps even "bait" property") and anything else in a 5-foot radius to "Funkytown":.

    Responding cop:  "Which way did he go?"

    Me:  Beep beep beep boop beep, boop beep beep beep boop. . . BOOM!  "That way Officer.  See the smoke?" ;)
    I prefer the Blade system... 
     >:) 

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • mitdr774mitdr774 Posts: 1,785 Senior Member
    edited March 8 #52
    Imagine a remotely activated thermite charge in the headliner of a car.  Really put the thief in the hot seat with that one.

    Any device added to a firearm to prevent unauthorized use has a greater potential to fail when needed than a properly stored/secured on person firearm has of being stolen.  The keyboard on my work iPad thing randomly won't even work and I have to restart the device just to look at my work drawings, email, material order, or do time for my crew.
  • die_hardgunnutdie_hardgunnut Posts: 18 New Member
    Zee said:

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?
    I’m at a loss for words to describe your justification. 

    As a direct recipient of similar incident I know exactly how this guy felt. Long time ago was selling a sxs shotgun with a box of ammo. "The buyer" loaded the shotgun pointed it at my head and proceeded to walk away, I was so enraged that I made a step towards him. He simply pressed the trigger, luckily it misfired, otherwise he was going to take my head off from 3 feet. I did not wanted to chance the second barrel, so he walked away with my gun. At that moment would have given anything to get my hands on him, shove that gun where the sun don't shine and press the other trigger. This could happen to anyone that is doing a privet deal. I did managed to get my gun back later...
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,456 Senior Member
    Zee said:

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?
    I’m at a loss for words to describe your justification. 

    As a direct recipient of similar incident I know exactly how this guy felt. Long time ago was selling a sxs shotgun with a box of ammo. "The buyer" loaded the shotgun pointed it at my head and proceeded to walk away, I was so enraged that I made a step towards him. He simply pressed the trigger, luckily it misfired, otherwise he was going to take my head off from 3 feet. I did not wanted to chance the second barrel, so he walked away with my gun. At that moment would have given anything to get my hands on him, shove that gun where the sun don't shine and press the other trigger. This could happen to anyone that is doing a privet deal. I did managed to get my gun back later...
    Well, I guess you’re on the same level as the dude in the YouTube video. 
    It takes all types to make the world go round. Some are simply here as examples of what not to do. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • die_hardgunnutdie_hardgunnut Posts: 18 New Member
    Zee said:
    Zee said:

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?
    I’m at a loss for words to describe your justification. 

    As a direct recipient of similar incident I know exactly how this guy felt. Long time ago was selling a sxs shotgun with a box of ammo. "The buyer" loaded the shotgun pointed it at my head and proceeded to walk away, I was so enraged that I made a step towards him. He simply pressed the trigger, luckily it misfired, otherwise he was going to take my head off from 3 feet. I did not wanted to chance the second barrel, so he walked away with my gun. At that moment would have given anything to get my hands on him, shove that gun where the sun don't shine and press the other trigger. This could happen to anyone that is doing a privet deal. I did managed to get my gun back later...
    Well, I guess you’re on the same level as the dude in the YouTube video. 
    It takes all types to make the world go round. Some are simply here as examples of what not to do. 

    Lesson learned I was lucky, some people are not...
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,456 Senior Member
    edited March 9 #56
    Zee said:
    Zee said:

    Open carrier invites robber to steal his weapon. Watch his embarrassment when his own gun was pointed at him thus allowing the thug to just walk away. What if the gun was not able to shoot in the robber's hands?
    I’m at a loss for words to describe your justification. 

    As a direct recipient of similar incident I know exactly how this guy felt. Long time ago was selling a sxs shotgun with a box of ammo. "The buyer" loaded the shotgun pointed it at my head and proceeded to walk away, I was so enraged that I made a step towards him. He simply pressed the trigger, luckily it misfired, otherwise he was going to take my head off from 3 feet. I did not wanted to chance the second barrel, so he walked away with my gun. At that moment would have given anything to get my hands on him, shove that gun where the sun don't shine and press the other trigger. This could happen to anyone that is doing a privet deal. I did managed to get my gun back later...
    Well, I guess you’re on the same level as the dude in the YouTube video. 
    It takes all types to make the world go round. Some are simply here as examples of what not to do. 

    Lesson learned I was lucky, some people are not...
    Sometimes, stupid hurts. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,877 Senior Member
    Another question to put forth here:  If these are your fears, why not carry a pistol that addresses them more directly - such as a Gen 3 S&W complete with decocking manual safety and magazine disconnect?
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • centermass556centermass556 Posts: 3,618 Senior Member
    Okay… given the two examples…I’m starting to believe we’re being trolled. 
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • Jeeper44magJeeper44mag Posts: 131 Member
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:

    Watched that the other night…..
    Don't recognize that...  what movie?

    Luis
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 5,448 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:

    Watched that the other night…..
    Don't recognize that...  what movie?

    Luis
    Blackhawk Down!!!!!!  Only one of the best movies ever made.  

    After returning from the field, ‘Hoot’, a Delta Force soldier played by Eric Bana, is approached by Capt. Steele (Jason Isaacs), a hard-ass commander who immediately grills the operator for carrying a "hot weapon" with the safety set on Fire.

    Hoot’s reply — holds up his trigger finger and says “this is my safety, sir”

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • JaphyJaphy Posts: 581 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    I'll wait for the gun fob.

    If it’s anything like my fob that rattles around my pocket turns on the alarm, opens all the windows, and all kinds of other stuff. Makes for a dangerous environment. 

    What makes Glocks great is you grab it, shoot it, and it works EVERY time day, night, wet, dry, caked in mud, hot, cold, right handed, left handed. No gimmicks, no batteries, no switches, no grip safety, no buttons. 

    Simple is ALWAYS better
    Designing simple is NEVER easy
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