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Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
Knowing that @Zee dislikes it very much, and other think it's a great in between cartridge.   I ask, what do you like or dislike about it.
Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
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  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,936 Senior Member
    edited February 9 #2
    I have 2, an AR platform and a remington model 7 both 16” tubes. It a good medium cartridge. Whatever you’d use a 30-30 for the 300Bo is there too. Mainly because I can…… they are economically reloaded and just FUN to shoot. I shoot mainly 125gr bullets out of it. I have shot some subs but I don’t run a can so it was just for fun…..in short because I can… it’s a better 32-20 and I love that cartridge 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Posts: 8,820 Senior Member
    edited February 9 #3
    It's easy to load for and it's a hoot to shoot! IMHO, I like it better/more fun than the 5.56!
  • JKPJKP Posts: 2,777 Senior Member
    I've got a suppressed AR in .300 Whisper (same as 300 BO) and it's a hoot with 240 gr bullets at 1040 fps. Also have an AR chambered in .300 BO running supersonic loads.

    The supersonic load is beaten all day and twice on Sunday by other AR pattern cartridges like  6x45AR. 
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    I have 2, an AR platform and a remington model 7 both 16” tubes. It a good medium cartridge. Whatever you’d use a 30-30 for the 300Bo is there too. Mainly because I can…… they are economically reloaded and just FUN to shoot. I shoot mainly 125gr bullets out of it. I have shot some subs but I don’t run a can so it was just for fun…..in short because I can… it’s a better 32-20 and I love that cartridge 
    First hand experience can't be beat. Thanks for the input
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    Big Al1 said:
    It's easy to load for and it's a hoot to shoot! IMHO, I like it better/more fun than the 5.56!
    Hope we can discuss that in the near future.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    JKP said:
    I've got a suppressed AR in .300 Whisper (same as 300 BO) and it's a hoot with 240 gr bullets at 1040 fps. Also have an AR chambered in .300 BO running supersonic loads.

    The supersonic load is beaten all day and twice on Sunday by other AR pattern cartridges like  6x45AR. 
    Well, I shall see soon.  I do not have a suppressor so supersonic it is.
    1/8 twist so I think lighter loads?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Posts: 6,116 Senior Member
    I had a 10.5" 300 BO upper for a bit but got rid of it. It was fun to shoot but anything I personally could rationalize a 300 BO for I can either accomplish with a heavy .224 or by stepping up to my 7mm08. Suppressed use was nill for me due to shooting at public ranges. 

    It is neat though. 
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  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    I had a 10.5" 300 BO upper for a bit but got rid of it. It was fun to shoot but anything I personally could rationalize a 300 BO for I can either accomplish with a heavy .224 or by stepping up to my 7mm08. Suppressed use was nill for me due to shooting at public ranges. 

    It is neat though. 
    Mine is 16 inches.  Don't see shooting over 150 yards, so it has a niche. I think
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • sakodudesakodude Posts: 4,886 Senior Member
    Shot both of Elk Creeks 300 B/O's they are a hoot! If he would just turn his back on the model 7 long enough :p
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    Shot both of Elk Creeks 300 B/O's they are a hoot! If he would just turn his back on the model 7 long enough :p
    When not for "work"  fun is what its about
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    Back in the day, I tested the .300 Whisper along with the 6.8 SPC somewhat thoroughly (more so the SPC than the Whisper) over a 4 year period to determine it’s ability to supplant the 5.56 in the performance of shoe sales. Long story short, neither supplanted.  A better logistical solution was reached. 
    Along comes the BO and in the early days, suffered from some of the same problems the Whisper was plagued with. Inadequate bullet selection for its performance parameters. 
    Not so much an issue anymore. Fortunate that the mindless masses were willing to swallow the hype without the performance and hang on until performance caught up. 
    Not a big fan of sub loads for centerfire. They are so limited in applications as to make them really just a gimmick. Their terminal performance lacks but not as much as their trajectory. For practical use. 
    Personally, I’m vested so deeply in the .308 Win there is no real sense in a BO for anything that I can or want to do. I can make a .308 Win perform like a BO but not the other way around. In the platform it’s most popular in, there are other cartridges that perform better over a broader range. 
    It’s a plinker. A range toy. Well marketed.  And much like the 6.5 Creedmoor, a castrated shell for a great caliber. Useless for anyone with any ballistic sense beyond what a gun rag tells them to believe. Hell, let’s see a show of hands from anyone here who has a wealth of terminal experience with the .300 BO!  Ballistics equal to the .30-30 Winchester?  My ass. 
    It’s a marketing wonder and not much beyond. 







    But, the absolute cream of the crop for my incessant ragging of such a paltry and useless cartridge. Much akin to the .270 Winchester and XD………..it’s SO much fun to stir the pot and watch it boil. 
    😎


    I do love trolling when I fish. 😘
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,936 Senior Member
    I love it Zee, love it. I don’t give a rats ass about what the gun rags say. I just enjoy shooting the mild mannered accurate little shooters. They aren’t “work” guns. I would shoot a deer or goat with it at a reasonable distance. I don’t need razor edge performance, I just need to smile when that “ping” rings out! 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    And I love rattling cages with a little truth and a lot of sarcasm. 😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    edited February 10 #15
    Zee said:
    Back in the day, I tested the .300 Whisper along with the 6.8 SPC somewhat thoroughly (more so the SPC than the Whisper) over a 4 year period to determine it’s ability to supplant the 5.56 in the performance of shoe sales. Long story short, neither supplanted.  A better logistical solution was reached. 
    Along comes the BO and in the early days, suffered from some of the same problems the Whisper was plagued with. Inadequate bullet selection for its performance parameters. 
    Not so much an issue anymore. Fortunate that the mindless masses were willing to swallow the hype without the performance and hang on until performance caught up. 
    Not a big fan of sub loads for centerfire. They are so limited in applications as to make them really just a gimmick. Their terminal performance lacks but not as much as their trajectory. For practical use. 
    Personally, I’m vested so deeply in the .308 Win there is no real sense in a BO for anything that I can or want to do. I can make a .308 Win perform like a BO but not the other way around. In the platform it’s most popular in, there are other cartridges that perform better over a broader range. 
    It’s a plinker. A range toy. Well marketed.  And much like the 6.5 Creedmoor, a castrated shell for a great caliber. Useless for anyone with any ballistic sense beyond what a gun rag tells them to believe. Hell, let’s see a show of hands from anyone here who has a wealth of terminal experience with the .300 BO!  Ballistics equal to the .30-30 Winchester?  My ass. 
    It’s a marketing wonder and not much beyond. 







    But, the absolute cream of the crop for my incessant ragging of such a paltry and useless cartridge. Much akin to the .270 Winchester and XD………..it’s SO much fun to stir the pot and watch it boil. 
    😎


    I do love trolling when I fish. 😘
    Some of us on here do pay attention to what you post on here.
      But, this time, I got one anyway. 
     Had a lower sitting in a box I unpacked after the move. in the same box was a parts kit along with assorted stocks and grips that were swapped out. On the shelf was a 1-4 scope that was collecting dust. Complete side charging upper was on sale cheap so after putting them together I have one. Weather permitting will shoot it at fishead's this weekend .
    What I like about it is:  it was cheap to put together and different than my others.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    And I truly hope you enjoy your firearm. 

    I will continue to poke fun because it’s fun. And guns should be fun. Even talking about them. Or teasing. But, aside from a few minor realities (ballistics)……that’s what it mostly is. 🍻
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    Now, the .270 Winchester on the other hand. Holy crap what a waste of gun powder…………
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,936 Senior Member

    Hey Zee! What’s not to love! 🤣
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,936 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Now, the .270 Winchester on the other hand. Holy crap what a waste of gun powder…………
    The 270win, the Jack O’Conner special. He was the ONLY person my great uncle kicked off his ranch, ever. My Great Uncle said he was a raging “a” hole that treated his wife like crap… that’s enough for me not to own one 😉
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    edited February 10 #20
    Elk creek said:

    Hey Zee! What’s not to love! 🤣
    Hmmmmm, open the bolt face…..rechamber……voila!  A useful cartridge in a handy rifle!!!

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    About the only thing they got right on the BO, besides the bore………is the common twist rate of 8T!

    All .30 cals should be at least an 8T. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    edited February 10 #22
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Now, the .270 Winchester on the other hand. Holy crap what a waste of gun powder…………
    The 270win, the Jack O’Conner special. He was the ONLY person my great uncle kicked off his ranch, ever. My Great Uncle said he was a raging “a” hole that treated his wife like crap… that’s enough for me not to own one 😉
    I’d put up with all that before being friends with someone who owned a .270 Winchester. 

    I have standards. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Now, the .270 Winchester on the other hand. Holy crap what a waste of gun powder…………
    The 270win, the Jack O’Conner special. He was the ONLY person my great uncle kicked off his ranch, ever. My Great Uncle said he was a raging “a” hole that treated his wife like crap… that’s enough for me not to own one 😉
    I’d put up with all that before being friends with someone who owned a .270 Winchester. 

    I have standards. 
    Does a .270 short, aka 6.8spc count?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Elk creekElk creek Posts: 7,936 Senior Member
    Of the 6.8lkng can’t do why would a 6.8 short  work? I’d rather have a 32-20!🤣
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • sakodudesakodude Posts: 4,886 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Now, the .270 Winchester on the other hand. Holy crap what a waste of gun powder…………
    The 270win, the Jack O’Conner special. He was the ONLY person my great uncle kicked off his ranch, ever. My Great Uncle said he was a raging “a” hole that treated his wife like crap… that’s enough for me not to own one 😉
    I’d put up with all that before being friends with someone who owned a .270 Winchester. 

    I have standards. 
    Glad I don't own a 270, anymore that is! was hoping to visit again :D
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    Zee said:
    Elk creek said:
    Zee said:
    Now, the .270 Winchester on the other hand. Holy crap what a waste of gun powder…………
    The 270win, the Jack O’Conner special. He was the ONLY person my great uncle kicked off his ranch, ever. My Great Uncle said he was a raging “a” hole that treated his wife like crap… that’s enough for me not to own one 😉
    I’d put up with all that before being friends with someone who owned a .270 Winchester. 

    I have standards. 
    Does a .270 short, aka 6.8spc count?
    That’s like castrating a midget. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    Well I guess my other two (5.56) are OK.  2 out of 4 ain't bad? 🙄
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • BigslugBigslug Posts: 9,878 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    Of the 6.8lkng can’t do why would a 6.8 short  work? I’d rather have a 32-20!🤣

    One of the most fun cast bullet plinkers I have is a Martini Cadet single shot that's been modified to shoot a blown out to nearly straightwall version of the .32-20.  I'm chucking a 155 grain tumble-lube plain base at 1425 fps. The B.O. is somewhat similar, and would probably be a hoot to play around with an even heavier slug.

    If I lived in Free America, I'd already be tinkering with the B.O. in a canned bolt action as a higher B.C. version of the British Delisle Carbine, but the notion of it in an autoloader fills me with "meh".
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Posts: 28,459 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    Well I guess my other two (5.56) are OK.  2 out of 4 ain't bad? 🙄
    I guess I only kinda like you. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • GrapeApeGrapeApe Posts: 602 Senior Member
    Diver, We've killed 6 whitetails and 4 hogs with 300BO. My favorite projectiles for it are: 1) Sierra 125gr TMK and 2) Hornady 110gr Vmax. At the slower 300BO vels, the Vmax isn't as explosive as in something say a 308. It's trajectory and range is similar to the 30-30 or slightly less than the 7.62x39
    Longest shot either of us have take with it is ~150yrds a couple of times. 1 in the neck and the other in the head equaled 2 very DRT deer

    Also, it's ALL KINDS of fun to put a can on one, shoot Subs, and shoot targets at 100yards.
    Pffft...
    ...
    ...
    Hear the bullet rip through the paper.

    Just for giggles, I've also worked up some "Max Subsonic" (1070fps) loads with the Hornady 190 SubX for my 8.5" pistol upper. Not super spectacular terminal performance, Think 45ACP terminal performance with a little more range, and easier to hit with, than a 1911. I've done nothing but play on the range with them, but I keep thinking of zeroing my 8.5" with them to deal with some coyotes we've been hearing, and occasionally seeing around here. Should be fine for them, and not annoy the neighbors if they happen to show up in the middle of the night.
    I've also worked up a supersonic ~1600fps load from my 16" and have thought about using one to pop a deer in the back yard (under 50yrds) with one. I've talked to the folks @ Hornady and they say they've only tested the 190 SubX terminally up to 1400fps.

    I wasn't a fan until I accidently "backed in" to owning one. As I started playing with it, it started growing on me. There are 3 300BO in the house now. Only behind 223/5.56
    "For longer range, use a bigger case. For bigger game, use a bigger bullet." - Dan Johnson
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,778 Senior Member
    GrapeApe said:
    Diver, We've killed 6 whitetails and 4 hogs with 300BO. My favorite projectiles for it are: 1) Sierra 125gr TMK and 2) Hornady 110gr Vmax. At the slower 300BO vels, the Vmax isn't as explosive as in something say a 308. It's trajectory and range is similar to the 30-30 or slightly less than the 7.62x39
    Longest shot either of us have take with it is ~150yrds a couple of times. 1 in the neck and the other in the head equaled 2 very DRT deer

    Also, it's ALL KINDS of fun to put a can on one, shoot Subs, and shoot targets at 100yards.
    Pffft...
    ...
    ...
    Hear the bullet rip through the paper.

    Just for giggles, I've also worked up some "Max Subsonic" (1070fps) loads with the Hornady 190 SubX for my 8.5" pistol upper. Not super spectacular terminal performance, Think 45ACP terminal performance with a little more range, and easier to hit with, than a 1911. I've done nothing but play on the range with them, but I keep thinking of zeroing my 8.5" with them to deal with some coyotes we've been hearing, and occasionally seeing around here. Should be fine for them, and not annoy the neighbors if they happen to show up in the middle of the night.
    I've also worked up a supersonic ~1600fps load from my 16" and have thought about using one to pop a deer in the back yard (under 50yrds) with one. I've talked to the folks @ Hornady and they say they've only tested the 190 SubX terminally up to 1400fps.

    I wasn't a fan until I accidently "backed in" to owning one. As I started playing with it, it started growing on me. There are 3 300BO in the house now. Only behind 223/5.56
    Now that what I call experimenting in both directions. 
    Deer and hogs are all I would use it for beyond killing paper and cans 
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
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