Latest Temptation 10mm 1911

Japhy

Got offered a great 10mm 1911 for a decent price from what I have seen.  My primary hesitation is the ammo cost. The lowest prices I see are about 0.50/rnd.  That will quickly become an expensive habit.

What is the approximate cost to reload 10mm?  180gr FMJ.  I have only reloaded shotgun shells so I need everything.  What is a good estimate so I can have an idea of the break even.

sakodude

If you're starting from scratch a quick glance brass is .20/ea bullet .16/ea, primers .09/ea plus powder and time. You're not saving much. Not to mention equipment  if you don't have it. Break even point is way down the road for a single cartridge.

GrapeApe

sakodude said:

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Break even point is way down the road for a single cartridge.

Yeah, that ^^^

Diver43

A 10mm is not like a .22.  I doubt you will go to a range and shoot 100 rounds.  But yet again your style may be different

GrapeApe

One HUGE advantage to handloading for the 10mm, you can load it to current factory levels (basically 40s&w velocities) OR you can go up to the original Norma spec loads, which are quite a bit hotter/faster.

If you do get into reloading and want "full house" 10mm velocities, keep in mind that quite a few (most?) of the 0.4" bullets currently on the market were designed to work in the 40 "short and weak" velocity envelope and the 10mm is EASILY able to exceed that design envelope 

Japhy

I have 9mm and 44 also. I shoot the 44 rarely actually planning to gift it to my nephew. 9mm factory is probably cheaper.  If I go to the range I shoot every round in my bag zero self control.

Wambli Ska

Japhy said:

I have 9mm and 44 also. I shoot the 44 rarely actually planning to gift it to my nephew. 9mm factory is probably cheaper.  If I go to the range I shoot every round in my bag zero self control.

I know, I tend to do the same and because if this my 10mm is one of the last guns I shoot in any given range session.  I love mine but it’s by far one of the least popular guns in my safe when it come to going out on a date.  It has a purpose and for that narrow purpose it’s superb.  That purpose does not include unlimited paper punching.

Bigslug

It's a neat re-packaging of the 38-.40 Winchester in an auto-pistol friendly package, and kinda/sorta/maybe duplicates a .357 Magnum.  However, having played around with the two ballistic extremes of what can be accomplished for penetration with and without an expanding bullet, I've mostly concluded that everything I need to do with a handgun can be done with things less logistically challenging than the 10mm (namely 9mm, .357, and .45ACP).  My Glock 20 has done virtually nothing in the last 30 years, despite having a decent ammo stash.

Zee

I have a G40 MOS that I handload for and have taken a few pigs with. Somewhat disappointed. Maybe I just haven’t found the right bullet or I’m not loading it hot enough. 

It works. It’s not impressive. Expecting too much?!?

Zee

And I LIKE the .40 S&W over the 9mm!!!

breamfisher

Zee, what do you mean by "not impressive"?  Doesn't put them down quick enough?  Inadequate bullet performance?

Elk creek

I wound up with a box of 1k 180gr remington golden Saber bullets a few years back. At the time I was going to get a 38-40 and a cannelure tool and play with those. I have a 40 that I will probably load them for. I don’t need a 10mm I have other handguns that fill that role…. Still those bullets are like gold! I gotta be selective. I’m thinking a heathy dose of long shot and those 180’s in G23. 

Japhy

Ran 2 mags through it this morning it was flawless.  Its a beautiful Dan Wesson silverback with lots of features. not a scratch or mark on it.  Price is right, private sale no sales tax, no FFL fee, no shipping.

BUT! I don't hunt pigs or need bear defense, or more home security,  its like stocking up on cat food just because its on sale; Wow! look at how much I saved! now if I only had a cat!  Its my belief 1911s were designed for the 45ACP and anything else is a compromise 9mm is shorter less recoil energy, 10mm is longer higher recoil resulting in the timing and mechanics less than optimal.  I will pass on this one and look for a 45 in the future.

JunkCollector

Interesting 
Sounds like you could play with the 10mm for free until you find that 45....then part ways.

We're here to enable after all
Me.....Ow

Wambli Ska

Japhy said:

Ran 2 mags through it this morning it was flawless.  Its a beautiful Dan Wesson silverback with lots of features. not a scratch or mark on it.  Price is right, private sale no sales tax, no FFL fee, no shipping.

BUT! I don't hunt pigs or need bear defense, or more home security,  it’s like stocking up on cat food just because it’s on sale; Wow! look at how much I saved! now if I only had a cat!  It’s my belief 1911s were designed for the 45ACP and anything else is a compromise 9mm is shorter less recoil energy, 10mm is longer higher recoil resulting in the timing and mechanics less than optimal.  I will pass on this one and look for a 45 in the future.

ARE YOU NUTS!!!!  You know what that thing is worth?  One of the finest, if not THE finest 10mm handgun out there 😱

Japhy

@Junk and Wambli

you two are just not being supportive, either its a $1500 safe queen, or I spend that and then go through about that amount a month in ammo AND THEN I will still want a high end 45...It just never stops huh?

JunkCollector

A bird in the hand....or 10mm in this case.
Shoot it once a month....indulge.

Sell for more than you paid when the 45 shows up.

No brainer

Enable.....back on

Bigslug

Zee said:

I have a G40 MOS that I handload for and have taken a few pigs with. Somewhat disappointed. Maybe I just haven’t found the right bullet or I’m not loading it hot enough. 

It works. It’s not impressive. Expecting too much?!?

The 175gr Silvertip is an option if you are seeking an "energy dump" bullet.  The absolutely beautiful table-flat .75 caliber mushroom proved not be be a very deep diver in milk jugs, but it knocked the crap out of the first three in the stack.  If you like max frontal area, it may be for you.

Like GrapApe says, you have to wade through the .40S&W specific projectiles and stuff designed to play for the FBI gel tests. . .If we were given a 200 grainer at 1000-1100 fps that only opened to about .65 caliber, we'd have our hunting load.

jbp-ohio

My wife and I go eat at a winery three counties SW of here twice a year. Every time we drive down. We go the back roads. Each trip I notice more and more people are making their trash bins bear proof......

At this rate, I might need to get a 10mm for my walks.....

bullsi1911

I need to build a load like this one from DT:
https://doubletapammo.com/collections/all/products/10mm-230gr-hardcast-solid-a-20rds

230gr hardcast running at 1100FPS. That’ll do,pig. 

JunkCollector

For a guy that likes science.. Zee is slacking some....go to the corner.
Yeah you remember where.

Wambli Ska

Japhy said:

@Junk and Wambli

you two are just not being supportive, either its a $1500 safe queen, or I spend that and then go through about that amount a month in ammo AND THEN I will still want a high end 45...It just never stops huh?

A Silverback for $1500?  That’s a deal.  As JunkCollector said, play with it and sell for a profit when the right .45 shows up…. If you’re willing to give it up after shooting it for a while.  My Razorback is one of my most accurate 1911s!

CHIRO1989

Have enough guns in various common calibers so that when the SHTF you will have options and when they come to take them they will take a bunch and think they got all of them. If you need to do a New York Reload, that Dan Wesson is an excellent option

breamfisher

.40 S&W was available during the last ammo crunch when 9mm wasn't.

10mm was harder to get. I wonder if you can run .40 in a 10 with a barrel, recoil spring, and mag swap?

breamfisher

If I had the money, I would get it, shoot it occasionally, and maybe use it for trade bait, as that's a REALLY good deal. If you want to load for it, .40 S&W dies will work, just don't screw the sizing and seating dies in as far. 

PFD

It was good enough for Sonny Crockett!

(sorry)


Elk creek

breamfisher said:

.40 S&W was available during the last ammo crunch when 9mm wasn't.

10mm was harder to get. I wonder if you can run .40 in a 10 with a barrel, recoil spring, and mag swap?

Sadly no. The 10 and 40 both headspace on the mouth of the case, the 40 is  shorter. Think 9mm bs 380. You could have a 40 barrel fit to it and run new mags and springs…. 

gunner81

I have heard of people who have run 40s through a 10mm maybe the extractor holds the  brass but you would have about 1/4 inch headspace

breamfisher

Elk creek said:

breamfisher said:

.40 S&W was available during the last ammo crunch when 9mm wasn't.

10mm was harder to get. I wonder if you can run .40 in a 10 with a barrel, recoil spring, and mag swap?

Sadly no. The 10 and 40 both headspace on the mouth of the case, the 40 is  shorter. Think 9mm bs 380. You could have a 40 barrel fit to it and run new mags and springs…. 

That's why I specified a barrel, recoil spring, and mag swap. All three.

Japhy

breamfisher said:

Elk creek said:

breamfisher said:

.40 S&W was available during the last ammo crunch when 9mm wasn't.

10mm was harder to get. I wonder if you can run .40 in a 10 with a barrel, recoil spring, and mag swap?

Sadly no. The 10 and 40 both headspace on the mouth of the case, the 40 is  shorter. Think 9mm bs 380. You could have a 40 barrel fit to it and run new mags and springs…. 

That's why I specified a barrel, recoil spring, and mag swap. All three.

  need a different link and maybe a different slide in a 1911. top lug positions will be different. 

Zee

I can shoot .40 S&W rounds out of my G40 barrel. 

I also have a Lonewolf.40 S&W barrel for it. But………I have shot .40 out of the 10 barrel just to see if it worked as supposedly it would. It does.