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  • Lonewolf-PeruLonewolf-Peru Member Lima, PeruPosts: 714 Senior Member
    Airedale wrote: »
    .....This is OUR country, and I won't be influenced by anyone who is not a citizen.
    There is a disease called appeasement, when Americans seem to feel that we should seek the approval of any other nation....

    You have the right to decide WHO you will listen and then make your own decisions, and you are right to say that try to seek approval from other nations is wrong, but it never hurt anyone to listen to criticism, and then decide if , as a Nation, you are doing something wrong that could be corrected, or if it is your critic the one who is wrong.... ...and believe me, I have seen quite a lot of criticism against the USA that is completely undeserved...

    Having said that, your local politics about education, taxes, inmigration,etc, are things I will avoid. I read what you wrote about that, but I don't participate.

    Foreign politics?....well, there the line is a little less clear.... I don't believe it is wrong to say that I'm on your side in your relations with the rest of the world, but sometimes the good you try to do miss the target.... at least here, in South America I can mention a few instances in which the USA actions were totally negative to it's own interests....I don't believe I'm taking a "pot shot" at the USA if I mention that your current Ambassador in Peru did a lousy job... (or a great job, if she were the representative of Hugo Chavez..)
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member A true 'Southerner'. NZPosts: 8,401 Senior Member
    Airedale wrote: »
    Robert,
    With due respect, I've heard a forign national (not so sure he's that) ridiculing our duly elected President, I didn't vote for him, but he's still the President of our Nation and I will not stand by to hear folks from other countries who have received untold amounts of aid make statements like that.
    Jim

    Ok Jim............that lets me out. The only aid that I can recall NZ receiving from the USA since WWII is funds and personnel when the quake hit Christchurch........and I guess it was payback for the firefighters we sent to California a few years back and the rescue squads we sent to New Orleans.

    But I will still comment on your politicians and their policies, the same way I would expect you to comment on mine if they screw up.
    This is Our Country, and we will not be influenced by anyone who is not a citizen.

    Good luck with that kind of attitude...............Maybe you should tell that to your president.
    Then perhaps you wouldnt have such a problem with things like illegal immigration for example...........
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Back in the 1950's somebody coined the term "Ugly American". It described a self-important, arrogant piece of excrement who makes the rest of us look bad with his actions and comments toward other members of the world community. Fortunately, there aren't as many of those folks as there used to be, but there are still a few diehards. It's a shame, but there's no cure for arrogance!
    Jerry
  • grumpycompuprofgrumpycompuprof New Member Posts: 14 New Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Back in the 1950's somebody coined the term "Ugly American". It described a self-important, arrogant piece of excrement who makes the rest of us look bad with his actions and comments toward other members of the world community. Fortunately, there aren't as many of those folks as there used to be, but there are still a few diehards. It's a shame, but there's no cure for arrogance!
    Jerry

    I can only applaud and second that. And if you are part of that group, please use spell and grammar check. Every word processing software has that built-in nowadays. All countries are interrelated - if their citizens want that or not. At least have an open mind about other people's opinion - they could present an angle that you may have overlooked. Let's be honest, no one can be perfect. Although some think they are and that's usually the first sign of imperfection.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    If the USA has a strong economy it can mean the difference between my business surviving or going under.

    ...And because Obama is what Romney calls "an economic lightweight" we don't get our annual delivery of port (by some ugly guy with an Australian accent-- I keep forgetting who he is... whatever, he brings the port!) at the SE Shoot. It is that whole America ripple effect that comes back to haunt us. What happens with the politics here does affect people all over the world. They have every right to speak out.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,280 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Back in the 1950's somebody coined the term "Ugly American". It described a self-important, arrogant piece of excrement who makes the rest of us look bad with his actions and comments toward other members of the world community. Fortunately, there aren't as many of those folks as there used to be, but there are still a few diehards. It's a shame, but there's no cure for arrogance!
    Jerry

    or ignorance...Well said Jerry....
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member A true 'Southerner'. NZPosts: 8,401 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Back in the 1950's somebody coined the term "Ugly American". It described a self-important, arrogant piece of excrement who makes the rest of us look bad with his actions and comments toward other members of the world community. Fortunately, there aren't as many of those folks as there used to be, but there are still a few diehards. It's a shame, but there's no cure for arrogance!
    Jerry

    Thank you Jerry for your eloquent post. The first thought that came into my mind when I read this thread and some of the responses was exactly what you have described.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Pensacola, FLPosts: 10,826 Senior Member
    Foreigners exressing opinions doesn't bother me. Foreigners like Soros dumping millions into a campaign........ Now that bothers me!

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    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • bisleybisley Senior Member East TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
    As has been said quite well, already, there is a big difference in expressing interest and having an opinion, and dumping money and influence into the hands of corrupt politicians who will do the bidding for whoever keeps the skids greased. A large part of our current economic and social mess is directly attributable to foreign power brokers like Soros, who have 'owned' some very high-placed politicians for at least a decade, maybe two.

    I, personally, am grateful to those folks in other countries who follow our politics and understand what this country has stood for in its better days, and express sensible ideas on how to help us return to those days. Sometimes they see things we miss, and I don't mind being counseled by someone with a different and maybe more objective perspective.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Living in a van, down by the river.Posts: 14,034 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    Foreigners exressing opinions doesn't bother me. Foreigners like Soros dumping millions into a campaign........ Now that bothers me!

    Soros is an American citizen.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Back in the 1950's somebody coined the term "Ugly American". It described a self-important, arrogant piece of excrement who makes the rest of us look bad with his actions and comments toward other members of the world community. Fortunately, there aren't as many of those folks as there used to be, but there are still a few diehards. It's a shame, but there's no cure for arrogance!
    Jerry

    Great post Teach, Thanks!!!!!!!!!! I will agree with you, and say too, there is no cure for arrogance. Let me add this: The difference between being a genius and being totally ignorant is a genius has it's limits. I once read a deffinition of Arrogance, and it said: "One who posesses or displays a false sense of superiorty." Sure sounds like the Odummy Adminsistration to me.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    This is OUR country, and I won't be influenced by anyone who is not a citizen.

    Then you might want to send your post to Barack Obama,because I don't believe he is a US citizen.
    There is a disease called appeasement, when Americans seem to feel that we should seek the approval of any other nation

    Tell that to politicians like Nancy Pelosi, and Hilary R. Clinton.
    Jimmy Carter, who is a truly good person, learned that

    I am sure Lydon B. Johnson was a good person too, but just because a person is good, doesn't mean they have the mental capacity or leadership skills to be President of the USA.
    It's about time that you American guys stand up on your hind legs

    Read what you wrote! > you American guys stand up on your hind legs??????????????????????

    This reads like your not a citizen of the USA.
    This is Our Country, and we will not be influenced by anyone who is not a citizen

    Then you might want to start lobbying to get all the illegal immigrants out of this country, because they should seem to have a lot of political influence these days.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Lake County, FloridaPosts: 7,927 Senior Member
    Airedale wrote: »
    Jimmy Carter, who is a truly good person, learned that.
    Will someone please tell me I didn't read that on here. Since when is ANY progresso-lib a "truly good person?"
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Will someone please tell me I didn't read that on here. Since when is ANY progresso-lib a "truly good person?"

    :worthy::rotflmao: Good one Make_My_Day, Good one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Antonio wrote: »
    Thanks for the inputs; picture is clearer to me now. Amazing that voting in the US is not compulsive like over here.

    Hope you won't get stuck with this "change" guy for another 4 years.

    Welcome Antonio, Anytime my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope we don't get stuck with the "Change" guy either, because that's all he has gave us, small change, in our pockets.There's an old adage that says: "Well it could be worse." Maybe, maybe not, time will tell. Hypothetically speaking if elections were compulsive in the USA, would it guarantee that the right person is elected for the right job? I don't think so. I don't know how the election process works in other countries but I understand how it works(or suppose to work) in the USA. The bottom line is this: In November,2012 we the USA citizens, are going to vote for a President. We really don't have a lot to choose from this year, but one thing is for certain, we can't survive another 4yrs of Odummy's failed policies, and out-of-control spending, and high unemployment, and interference with Free Capital trade. Unfortunately, our US elections over the last 4 or 5 decades are ruled by huge campaign contributions, special intrest groups, PAC's, etc. And although there have been laws passed trying to regulate the amount of money that is involved in getting someone elected, these laws are inefficient, lacking substance and have little or no validity to them. There is always some loophole somewhere regarding legislation like this, and probably always will be. Couple this with the out of control political corruption and we have a recipe,for total disaster here, just waiting to materialize in the USA.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    I agree 100% Robert!!! Airdale, I think I see where you were coming from and can't say I totally blame you, because we do give a lot of aid around the world. However, politicians like Obama deserve all the negatives they get. And I don't care who is saying it. I'm just happy we have some guys like Lone Wolf and Antonio out past our borders that actually know what's going on and can see past the media snow screen. I hear some foreigners comment on some of our politicians and I want to puke. But these two have it pegged and I agree with their assessment totally.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Jimmy Carter, arguably the worst president ever in the USA (present one in a bloody battle with him for the title), was and is a nitwit who could not manage his way out of paper bag. He only made it into the White House because he ran in an election where "anyone not Republican" was assured a win. His ineptitude threw this whole country into the trash dumpster and to this day he has spent every moment since leaving the White House trying to fix his image by doing good deeds. The problem is that this senile dingbat is now running around in a self important role doing utterly stupid stuff like certifying elections for Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. He needs to fade away from our memory until after his death when liberal history revisionists will write him a good review for high school history text books...

    This is an awsome write up wambli and right on. However, in some defence of Airdale, I will admit that Jimmy C is basically a good person. But his thinking (or lack of it) screws up all of his credibility. He IS most assuridly a POLITICAL NIT WIT!!! The likes of never seen so dumb before. Not even Obama could screw things up like Carter did. I loved Ronald Reagan and I think he will go down as one of our greatest presidents ever, however I think one thing that made him look so good was who he followed. That wern't exactly a tough act to follow, LOL!!!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Lima, PeruPosts: 2,986 Senior Member
    Whoa! A guy goes out for the weekend for a little surfing (Bending backwards a little his knee in the process...nothing a few beers won't cure but will be on crutches for a couple of days to heal for next week's swell) and finds a world war!

    First let me tell you Jim, that I've never been asked to *fornicate*off so politely. Touché!

    I was only asking for 1st. hand advice by plain curiosity since our electoral systems work differently; most information we get over here is from local, foreign and US journalist with their own political agendas, so having the opinion straight from the real voters gives me a better perspective of what's going on over there instead of watching the booooring CNN talking heads. NEVER intended with this particular post to step over the soap box and give you guys a lesson on how to do things regarding local politics, so you got me completely wrong, unless you don't want a foreign to even dare to ask something about this matter.

    Maybe my comments regarding some of your political figures was what upset you, but I have all the right to call them the way I did. Suspected religious fanatics of any faith or political side are eventually nothing but trouble in my book, and I never liked post-war Democrats, specially those of the so-called "minorities" who think everyone owes them something.

    Why should this matter to me being a foreigner? Many of our local commercial deals are made with the US and a lot of my clients work with American companies; due to economical reasons too long to explain, our family savings & investments are in US currency, although not in the US banking system (At least directly); one of my best friends (Of the "You're N° 1 beneficiary in my will" kind) is a legal US citizen living in CO. and with properties, savings, debts, investments and a growing business in the US; my brother is being offered a job over there in an important research & science field (He's currently working in Europe in the same area) and might legally migrate to the States; and finally, one of my main hobbies, shooting, depends almost exclusively of the US State policy regarding this matter. Enough reasons for you for me wanting to know a little more about US political dynamic and worry about future relations of your country with his "back yard"?

    Maybe I've had some disregards & scruffs with some forum members now & then about many topics, but I never felt I was being rude; probably 70% of my posts are strictly gun-related, and about the others, never had been "yanked back in line" by the moderators in all the years around here (10 maybe?). If you feel I don't belong here, you can write them asking to remove me for the reasons you consider justifiable, but asking me to literally shut up with the reasons you argue is a little short-sighted to say the least.

    Thanks for the kind words to the rest of the bunch. Will have to buy a LOT of beers when I go back there (Hope later this year if bro gives a lecture in FL). Regarding the original matter of the post, thanks to all your comments I now have a much clearer view of the future electoral process.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Jimmy Carter, via Paul Volker's interest rate hikes, killed off the farm equipment manufacturers and caused the farm collapse that started in 1979. Many companies making farm equipment either went out of business, or the business was bought up by U.S. or foreign companies. I was working at one of the farm machinery companies that went belly up during that period. We were selling repair parts like a house afire, but new equipment sales were nonexistent. Company was sold to Austin Equipment Company in Texas, and I decided that I wasn't going to work in that mess down there after a one week stay, and got a call from TVA right before the company moved. One of my last jobs was cutting up about $10,000,000 worth of brand new folding wing disc harrows to be sold as scrap metal. The unassembled parts in the assembly building and warehouses were sent to Texas.

    That's why there are only a couple of farm tractors still built in the U.S., and they aren't entirely U.S. business owned; they are multinational owned corporations because they had to borrow money outside the U.S. to stay in business. A lot of the farm tractors with familiar names are built overseas, and one particularly popular one with red paint job is built in France. Another one is built almost entirely of parts made in Japan and shipped here. A lot of jobs went overseas because of Carter, and the farming equipment industry still hasn't fully recovered.

    Living through Carter's administration, and it's aftermath was bad, but the person holding the job now makes him look not so bad. :rotflmao:
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  • AiredaleAiredale Banned Posts: 624 Senior Member
    Ok, my last post on this.
    I'm sick and tired of Americans apoligizing to the world about our "furrin" (how's that for spelling, you nitpicker) policy, our electoral process, or our candidates for office.
    Antonio, you seem to concerned mainly about your financial dealings with the U.S. and the effect that the next administration will have on them.
    But..I would think that your efforts would be better implemented in your country. The drug cartel, your countries treatment of native people, the rape of your forests, the rampant seach for gold that's ruined whole watersheds.
    Where is your middle class, if it exists?
    Where is your infrastructure of highways that benefits commerce?
    Why are Americans asked for money to help children who suffer from all kinds of illnesses and birth defects?
    You're surfing???? Well good for you!
    And you have the unmitigated gall to critisize the U.S.????
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Lima, PeruPosts: 2,986 Senior Member
    Yes, of course I'm concerned about my financial dealings with the US...I live of my work and money is, at least to me, my #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7th. priority in my list. But it seems like you have a big reading comprehension issue. I also have friends and relatives living over there, so their whereabouts based on the political future of the US also has me at least a little concerned. Is caring about my income bad?

    I do here whatever I can do to make things better, that is working, paying taxes and walking in a straight line. I'm not trying to do anything about the US politics by the way, and event if I wanted....how can I do it? I was only asking for a few inputs so when watching or reading international news, I could know the proper context of the events and not take for granted what a particular media source is stating.

    All the stuff you mention seems like the extraction of a pinko NGO flyer handed to college kids in Berkeley. Drug cartels are MEXICAN and COLOMBIAN; we "only" grow the Coca plant used to make cocaine and have a few labs in the jungle to process that poison. Transportation and delivery to the US is mostly in other hands. And the best way to get rid of it is by stopping snorting it! Wouldn't mind if someday the USAF go napalm on those guys either...they don't deserve any better.
    This is not the Avatar movie; native people isn't mistreated by the government "Native American western movie style" and in fact the current president belongs to an Andean family. . Forests are being destroyed by the inability of the state to control the illegal timber traffic, and the damage to ecosystems by gold search is due to the same reasons; also it has become an income source for many poor families coming from the Andes down to the coastal and jungle valleys where gold is, and it's a current social issue very hard to handle...like going back to the Californian gold rush and trying to stop the miners from looking for the mineral.

    Our middle class exist; you should check your sources before writing with such rampant ignorance; in fact it's among of the fastest growing in South America. Last year there were record sales of brand new cars, mobile phones, home appliances and low & mid-income housing, not only in the capital but also in smaller cities all around the country. Malls are being built, medical services & access are improving drastically, internal tourism is blossoming and private schools are improving their standards.

    Our infrastructure is recovering from years of neglect by a commie military regime, corruption and natural disasters. Back in 1994 it took me 21 hours to drive non-stop the 800 miles distance to reach a surfing spot close to the border with Ecuador through a dirt strip that resembled a Mad Max II scenery, with few places to find gas; now it takes a mere 13 hours including lunch stop in a nice restaurant. Ports have recently been privatized to many foreign port managers like Dubai Ports; natural gas lines are being built to bring it from the Amazon forest to homes and we're even exporting it to Mexico; our airport has been rated #1 in South America last year;.....seriously? can you read? who's your information source? OXFAM? Michael Moore? Sean Penn? Maybe you are talking about Haiti! Would be a great idea if you spend 600 bucks in an air ticket and take a trip over here to see things with your own eyes; not Switzerland but certainly not Afghanistan.

    Americans and most 1st. world counties citizens are CONSTANTLY asked for money for hundreds of causes, specially suffering children from all over the world, and even including from inside the US! illness and birth defects are certainly common and even endemic to all the developing world, but also they usually go down when countries start to function better, like is currently happening in Chile and Brazil; in fact afterbirth death rates among Peruvian lower class mothers is the lowest ever and keeps going down, and some illnesses are disappearing. Does it bothers you that charities ask for money? You're not forced to give if you don't want, and not all that money comes here....most probably goes to Africa and Asia.

    Yes I'm surfing, thank you very much. Nice sport that puts you in touch with nature and keeps you in shape; should try it someday. Are you implying I should stay home de-worming orphans or feeding the poor? No thanks....summer's too short, waves are too nice and wife looks too good in a bikini to deprive me from such pleasures.

    Finally, once again I was NOT criticizing the US!!!!!! I was only asking for in-for-ma-tion. I never said that Americans have ugly toenails or that the gringo beer tastes like boiled rubber door stops (It doesn't.....love Coors!). Maybe 'cause I'm a foreigner I can't understand why you are making such a deal of a simple curious statement. If it offended you that I called names to your current President or to who appears to be a religious freak GOP candidate, deal with it! I bet if I had unjustifiable criticized the US, A LOT of people would have jumped over me...seems like the only one that felt insulted was bitter Jim.

    Too bad you don't want to keep writing man; this is getting really funny.
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Lima, PeruPosts: 2,986 Senior Member
    Sorry, double post.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Lake County, FloridaPosts: 7,927 Senior Member
    Airedale wrote: »
    Ok, my last post on this.
    I wish it was his last post EVER!!! This guy reminds me of that progresso-lib douchebag, Peter...you know, that guy who couldn't understand why Americans feel the need to defend our homes with guns.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Lonewolf-PeruLonewolf-Peru Member Lima, PeruPosts: 714 Senior Member
    Speaking of which the wife and I are talking about doing exactly that next year (what would you recommend as a good month to visit?). I have a good friend from grad school who's teaching at a university in Lima and I want to visit him. The wife also really wants to hike the Inca Trail to Machu Picchu.

    If your wife wants to try the Inca trail, then I suggest you should avoid the months from November to March (rain season in the andes....lots of mudslides make the trail a bit dangerous, and on February the trail is closed). The period from May to October is more convenient. Less probabilities of clouds hiding the Sun, but a little bit cold at night (about 68 Farenheit during the day, 32 to 40 at night)
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Pensacola, FLPosts: 10,826 Senior Member
    Soros is an American citizen.

    I knew he lived and worked in NYC, but I could have sworn I read he stayed a citizen of Hungary......... maybe he is both?

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  • shushshush Senior Member This Sceptical Isle.Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Pot/ Kettle here, say what??
    Airedale wrote: »
    The drug cartel, your countries treatment of native people, the rape of your forests, the rampant seach for gold that's ruined whole watersheds.
    I think we have all done a little bit of that, at some time.:wink:
    Very good thread all the same.:up:
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Living in a van, down by the river.Posts: 14,034 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    I knew he lived and worked in NYC, but I could have sworn I read he stayed a citizen of Hungary......... maybe he is both?

    Sent from my R800x using Tapatalk

    Everything I've read says he's a naturalized American citizen.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Jimmy Carter, arguably the worst president ever in the USA (present one in a bloody battle with him for the title), was and is a nitwit who could not manage his way out of paper bag. He only made it into the White House because he ran in an election where "anyone not Republican" was assured a win. His ineptitude threw this whole country into the trash dumpster and to this day he has spent every moment since leaving the White House trying to fix his image by doing good deeds. The problem is that this senile dingbat is now running around in a self important role doing utterly stupid stuff like certifying elections for Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. He needs to fade away from our memory until after his death when liberal history revisionists will write him a good review for high school history text books...

    Right On Wambli Ska!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100% Agree. It was hard times under the Jimmy Carter Peanut Administration,well for me anyway.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I see you have a pretty strong opinion about ol' Jimmy's accomplishments based on your readings (I would assume). To bad you never got to experience his presidency live. For those of us who actually spent hours waiting on gas lines, got locked out of a mortgage market running on 17+% interest rates and stood in ridicule before the rest of the world while 52 Americans were held hostage by a band of rag-tag pseudo terrorists while we did NOTHING... Well Jimmy didn't look that smart to us...

    Oh BTW let's not forget that his Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act of 1980 basically was the cornerstone of the S&L industry collapse. Yep, Jimmy has a lot to be proud off.



    The problem with book learning is that it's subject to hindsight and revisionism and includes none of the pain of being there my young friend. Hard to get around those issues but something to keep in mind when you are reading about history and politics.

    Great asessment of the ole Jimmy Carter Administration and his cronies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks again Wambli Ska!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I too, have ofter questioned the accuracy of written school history books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Denver,Co.Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    As has been said quite well, already, there is a big difference in expressing interest and having an opinion, and dumping money and influence into the hands of corrupt politicians who will do the bidding for whoever keeps the skids greased. A large part of our current economic and social mess is directly attributable to foreign power brokers like Soros, who have 'owned' some very high-placed politicians for at least a decade, maybe two.

    I, personally, am grateful to those folks in other countries who follow our politics and understand what this country has stood for in its better days, and express sensible ideas on how to help us return to those days. Sometimes they see things we miss, and I don't mind being counseled by someone with a different and maybe more objective perspective.

    :applause::agree:
    "It is what it is":usa:
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