Well, that's the end of Santorum

bullsi1911bullsi1911 ModeratorPosts: 9,660 Senior Member
Internet pornography could conceivably become a thing of the past if Rick Santorum is elected president.

The unapologetic social conservative, currently in second place behind Mitt Romney for the GOP nomination, has promised to crack down on the distribution of pornography if elected.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/14/vigorous-santorum-crackdown-may-catch-internet-porn-viewers-with-pants-down/#ixzz1pCuKkIz0

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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,045 Senior Member
    I thought that santorum was a byproduct of the pornography business. :jester:

    I read the article. Don't we have more important things to do as a country? The one single industry that is thriving in this country and he wants to screw that up. Nice.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,570 Senior Member
    So lets get this straight he's already alienated 90% of women with his crusade against birth control and now he's trying to alienate 90% of men by promising to take away our porn? I think he's overestimating the power of the ultra-religious eunuch vote....
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,939 Senior Member
    There's the new definition of "santorum", and what this article umm. . .thrusts at. . . could well be described as a "slippery slope".

    Sounds like naked Jell-O wrestling is impending. . .

    For a guy who can't seem to handle the thought of anything being stuck into anything else, he seems to be in people's private business A LOT.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,460 Senior Member
    So lets get this straight he's already alienated 90% of women with his crusade against birth control and now he's trying to alienate 90% of men by promising to take away our porn? I think he's overestimating the power of the ultra-religious eunuch vote....

    What crusade against birth control??
    He doesnt use it, he doesnt like it, he is not the one TELLING you you have to pay for it. The only "crusade" is from the media, that you are knee jerking into.

    As for the no porn thing, try reading the article "
    Santorum says in a statement posted to his website, “The Obama Administration has turned a blind eye to those who wish to preserve our culture from the scourge of pornography and has refused to enforce obscenity laws.”

    Think that means LAWS ON THE BOOKS. You don't like the law and are getting carpel tunnel because you found a left handed mouse, then lobby your legiicritter to remove the law. As a dad, it is a bundle of fun when the browser history has porn.com in it and the wife goes ape feces. Boys will be boys, but there is some wild stuff that takes healty curiosity to places where it doesn't need to go.
    First admendment is for political speech, not S&M. It isnt a 1st ad issue. It is a freedom issue, however that means that your rights STOP where mine START.

    You want to keep working the wrist, then all that crap should be subscription, not free.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,570 Senior Member
    Or you could just take responsibility for your own household and keep the computer in a common area, monitor your kid's useage and/or install an internet filter.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,570 Senior Member
    BTW the logic you're using there is the same logic that has been used by tons of antis to justify all sorts of gun control laws. I mean if you have a gun in the house your kid could find it and shoot himself or take it to school and kill someone. We really should ban you from owning guns or at a minimum require you to keep them all under lock and key at all times, preferably in a disassembled and unusable state.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,660 Senior Member
    Or you could just take responsibility for your own household and keep the computer in a common area, monitor your kid's useage and/or install an internet filter.

    The dirty BIG secret of any online business, and all of the internet is this: Porn is the reason the internet is the way it is. All these great things that we have online were developed for pornography. Streaming video, online collaboration, shopping carts, subscription services, high speed access, graphics distribution, mobile devices, etc... were all developed and or refined for enhanced porn delivery. And all of us that benefit from online services, have porn to thank in some way for our jobs and what we enjoy online.

    If he kills the online porn industry, then he will cripple online development. This is the law of unintended consequences.

    If we should not care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, then we should not care what one consenting individual does by the light of a high def monitor in his mom's basement.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,458 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    The dirty BIG secret of any online business, and all of the internet is this: Porn is the reason the internet is the way it is. All these great things that we have online were developed for pornography. Streaming video, online collaboration, shopping carts, subscription services, high speed access, graphics distribution, mobile devices, etc... were all developed and or refined for enhanced porn delivery. And all of us that benefit from online services, have porn to thank in some way for our jobs and what we enjoy online.

    If he kills the online porn industry, then he will cripple online development. This is the law of unintended consequences.

    If we should not care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors, then we should not care what one consenting individual does by the light of a high def monitor in his mom's basement.

    That was a good post. I agree with it and Alpha's post.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,570 Senior Member
    There's a recent movie about the guys who invented online payment processing called "Middle Men". Not a bad flick.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,717 Senior Member
    Or you could just take responsibility for your own household and keep the computer in a common area, monitor your kid's useage and/or install an internet filter.

    When you have kids, especially boys, you remember you made this statement, good luck.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,045 Senior Member
    I have kids and I know exactly what sites they go to, who they are talking to and what they are saying...
    http://www.webwatcherkids.com/
    The computer sits in the open where it is visible to everyone. The last thing I need is more government intrusion in my life.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,717 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    I have kids and I know exactly what sites they go to, who they are talking to and what they are saying...
    http://www.webwatcherkids.com/
    The computer sits in the open where it is visible to everyone. The last thing I need is more government intrusion in my life.

    What about all of the other computers, phones, and video game systems your kids have access to outside of your home, there is a problem right there.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,045 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    What about all of the other computers, phones, and video game systems your kids have access to outside of your home, there is a problem right there.
    The school has good filters. When I do give them phones, I will know exactly what they say and do with them as well. I am sure that if they want to see porn, nothing is going to stop them, not me, the government.... Nobody. I had no problem finding a way as a young man before the internet. I have no doubt that they will as well.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,717 Senior Member
    QUOTE=Jermanator;93562]The school has good filters. When I do give them phones, I will know exactly what they say and do with them as well. I am sure that if they want to see porn, nothing is going to stop them, not me, the government.... Nobody. I had no problem finding a way as a young man before the internet. I have no doubt that they will as well.[/QUOTE]

    Yep, content has changed quite a bit since the day of Playboy or Penthouse, get ready for those questions.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,045 Senior Member
    Me and the wife are pretty open about sexuality. It is not something that we want the kids to feel shame about. There are enough sexually **** people out there as it is-- we are trying not to raise more. No matter what you say or do, they are probably going to see pornography. I want to make sure that my son knows that that really isn't the best way to treat a woman and that our daughters should not expect to be treated like that. If we don't talk about it, they tend to believe what they had seen is the way it is supposed to be.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,045 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    However, I do want to ask you...how do you define "obscene"? Is it like the judge that declared he would know pornography "when he saw it"?

    This is obscene...
    utf-8BY2ouanBn-1.jpg
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,045 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    That is NOT obscene. That is pure sexy, baby.
    I disagree. But should we be determining that as individuals with our own intelligence and values, or should we cede it to jackass politicians and the government?
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,460 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Im not arguing either way. However, I do want to ask you...how do you define "obscene"? Is it like the judge that declared he would know pornography "when he saw it"?
    It is already defined. The laws are on the books, they just are not enforced. I don't want to be in your bedroom, and I don't want that in the living room. IMHO, if it would be rated X in a theater, then you can break out the plastic.

    Again, for those who didn't read just knee jerked, I don't care if your right arm is huge and you can run a mouse left handed, subscribe. Pay for it. Don't make it free and pretty dang rough. It isnt Playboy that is out there, heck you can get what was in playboy in a bikini catalog today. If it takes a credit card to open, then you can knock youself out. Heck, when we take down a switch I always wonder how many guys just sprained their wrists when the DSL cuts out.

    Hey Jerm, you think you can stop it? When my kid was 5 we did a search for Spiderman. Clicked on a site, pics came up that had "huge tracts of land" as far as the eye could see. Tried to shut it down and it spawned popups. That was a lot of fun with the boy sitting there. He did say "Those were pretty big" so I just patted him on the head. The site was titled Spiderman.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,650 Senior Member
    Pay for it are you kidding. When we had the photo-shop wars many meltdowns ago. I was looking for some material and my son turned off safe search on Google. Well when I typed in any key words I was shocked to see what Google images produced. Whitehouse.com is a porn site. It's everywhere and some TV shows push the envelope.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,450 Senior Member
    I knew where my older brothers stash was hidden..... cause I searched the whole house for it

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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,460 Senior Member
    BTW the logic you're using there is the same logic that has been used by tons of antis to justify all sorts of gun control laws. I mean if you have a gun in the house your kid could find it and shoot himself or take it to school and kill someone. We really should ban you from owning guns or at a minimum require you to keep them all under lock and key at all times, preferably in a disassembled and unusable state.

    You think we should let 8 year olds get firearms for free at the LGS? Thats the apples to apples analogy. Go online and click and get a AR15 without any adult input.

    We don't do that because 8 year olds do NOT have the brain to handle the responsibility. Yet you are advocating that we let something into our homes that can cause at least as much trouble for them over ther lifetimes.

    http://www.protectkids.com/effects/harms.htm 1 in 4 with vd, thought we knew how to prevent that?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/18/kids-top-searches-in-2009_n_397501.html That right wing bastion, the Huffpo

    Psych today
    (edited)"Yet today's porn is nothing like Playboy. It's video, so the user can effortlessly imagine himself in a role. It's always novel, and there's no limit to how much can be viewed. Even after a user can keep going by clicking to something more shocking. The issue isn't or whether content is "good" or "bad." The issue is the effects of Internet porn's extreme stimulation on the brain. "
    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201012/kids-and-porn-the-discussion

    This is a different world than when you snuck dads playboy from his desk.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,450 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    This is obscene...
    utf-8BY2ouanBn-1.jpg

    That'a a tube sock.......
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,460 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Pay for it are you kidding. When we had the photo-shop wars many meltdowns ago. I was looking for some material and my son turned off safe search on Google. Well when I typed in any key words I was shocked to see what Google images produced. Whitehouse.com is a porn site. It's everywhere and some TV shows push the envelope.
    Thats my point.
    Make the producers lock their site and require a CC to unlock. You can still do the lopsided workout if that floats your boat and even try the mouse back in the right hand if you want some strange. I am sure it would break their hearts to charge 20 bucks a year/ month/ whatever.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,570 Senior Member
    I disagree. The better analogy is having guns in the house without a safe and kept loaded and easily accessible and allowing your kids free, unsupervised acess to the unfiltered internet. There are plenty of cheap and effective internet filters that will block 99% of the bad stuff. Sure they aren't 100% perfect, but neither are safes. Take some responsibility and stop trying to use the government to try and restrict other peoples rights.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,660 Senior Member
    I read a statement on the internet the other day that fits here:
    "You don't get to complain about the short and curlies in your soup when you’ve granted the waiting staff carte blanche to dip their privates in your minestrone"

    Give the Govt the power to regulate content delivered on the internet, and it WILL come down on us gun nuts. Have you noticed that gun rights are taking off like wildfire since the internet has basically sidelined the old media? How long do you think it would take for the second Obama administration or the Hillary Administration to start defining things like alternative 'unapproved' media "offensive?"

    Take personal responsibility for your kids, and don't give the Govt more power. It will be misused. Has the Govt EVER been granted a power it did not misuse?
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    I don't believe that if Santorum is elected he will be able to totally eliminate internet porn. I don't believe that anyone else would be able to accomplish this either. I think what Santorum was trying to do was "re-energize" what used to be the so called Moral majority. Once again one can not legislate morality. As far as "enforce obscenity laws.”.... Well there happens to be many laws on "the books" that are not properly enforced. One person's deffinition of obscence,may not be anothers deffinition of obscence. The 'Adult entertainment industry' is a multi-billion dollar a year industry, and with kind of monentary backing, Santorum and anyone else can't successfully fight them and win. I wonder why Santorum, didn't mention the fact that he would like to shut down Men's magazines along with the internet porn? I mean its all porn and obscene material, considered by some, so why stop there Rick Santorum? It doesn't bother me that the internet is full of porn. Even with all the filters, blocks, administrative accounts, etc. one can put into a computer, somewhere, somehow, someone is going to find a way around it. Thats been done many a times. I wonder what Larry Flint's and Hugh Heffner's opinion on this would be?:rotflmao:
    What I am saying is this: Here is a hypothetical scenario: Let's say that by some "hapstance chance" ole Santorum gets elected and does shut down all internet porn sites. What's to stop him, or anyone else from shutting down sites like the Guns and ammo board, gunbroker, gun manufacture sites, hunting site, web pages of our gun clubs etc? I believe that if anyone elected political official, ever gets to that point, then we can definitely kiss our rights and US Constitution good-bye!!!!!!! Now there is the argument that this has nothing to do with Freedom of speech. I disagree. Not only do I believe it is freedom of speech, it's also freedom of expression. Eliminating graphic content from the www is not going to make anyone a more moral person. I donot think that very young children and adolescent's should be viewing this stuff. When one reaches the age of 18 to 21 they should be able to distinguish between moral and immoral. Its a personal decision. The very mention of this hairbrained scheme reminds me of the days when cigarette advertising was banned from TV and Radio. It was an ill-fated attempt to stop young people from smoking, and reduce health cost, but it didn't work, heck there's more people smoking now than ever before. Just because something is "out of sight" doesn't mean "its out of mind," so to speak. Just because something is not advertised, be it on TV or the web, doesn't mean that's it's not available to those who seek it. The bottom line is the attitudes and morality of the average person has changed with each new generation and will continue to do so,unless its changed. There are seven deadly sins according to some, and they are Anger, Lust, Envey, Glutton, Sloth(Apathy), Greed, Pride,and since these are running rampant in this country now a days wouldn't it make more sense to try to prevent and stop those, than trying to stop some website from showing naked men and women? Listed below is some data on how men and women think about sex. Form you own opinion:
    It has become an accepted truth that men think about sex a lot. Depending on which version you've heard, it could be every few minutes or every seven seconds. On the face of it, this is simply ludicrous.
    If we assume that the average male is awake for 16 hours a day, each man would have to think about sex more than 8,000 times a day. That's about as many times as a person breathes while awake.
    The most comprehensive survey ever completed on sexuality, The Social Organisation of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States found that 54 per cent of men reported thinking about sex every day or several times a day, 43 per cent a few times a month or a few times a week, and four per cent less than once a month.

    When asked the same question: 19 per cent of women reported thinking about sex every day or several times a day, 67 per cent a few times a month or a few times a week, and 14 per cent less than once a month.
    Women do think about sex less than men, but the difference is not as great as men


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1224825/So--men-REALLY-think-sex-seven-seconds-We-explode-medical-myths-doctors-believe.html#ixzz1pNkJg312

    So if Santorum thinks that he is going to eliminate young teen-age pregancys and ill-legiminate children, by shuting down the adult web sites, and eliminating Adult DVD's, then he is just a legend in his own mind.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,887 Senior Member
    He will do well in Purto Rico with his official language position that it be English for statehood.
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  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,544 Senior Member
    Take some responsibility and stop trying to use the government to try and restrict other peoples rights.

    Words for everyone to live by.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,045 Senior Member
    Take some responsibility and stop trying to use the government to try and restrict other peoples rights.
    That could also apply to a certain group of people who want to grant more rights to some people than the others have, or to use taxpayer money to fund projects for the people who don't pay taxes.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    I read a statement on the internet the other day that fits here:
    "You don't get to complain about the short and curlies in your soup when you’ve granted the waiting staff carte blanche to dip their privates in your minestrone"

    Give the Govt the power to regulate content delivered on the internet, and it WILL come down on us gun nuts. Have you noticed that gun rights are taking off like wildfire since the internet has basically sidelined the old media? How long do you think it would take for the second Obama administration or the Hillary Administration to start defining things like alternative 'unapproved' media "offensive?"

    Take personal responsibility for your kids, and don't give the Govt more power. It will be misused. Has the Govt EVER been granted a power it did not misuse?

    Very well said bullsi1911, very well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:applause:
    "It is what it is":usa:
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